Ep 347 Healing After Loss: A Fertility Journey Rooted in Inner Wisdom with Leatitia Felix
On today’s episode of The Wholesome Fertility Podcast, I am joined by Laetitia Felix @mindset_bodyandsoul, a fertility mindset coach who shares her deeply personal and powerful journey through infertility, loss, and ultimately conception. After experiencing three ectopic pregnancies and an early miscarriage, Leatitia was told IVF was her only option—but she knew in her heart there was another path.
In this vulnerable conversation, she opens up about how slowing down, healing her nervous system, and connecting to her spiritual self helped her conceive naturally—against the odds and through the same fallopian tube doctors advised removing. We also explore spirit baby communication, the emotional toll of unexplained infertility, and how reclaiming your inner wisdom can be the most radical act of self-love.
This episode is an invitation to stop, listen, and trust the messages your body and spirit may already be sending you
Key Takeaways:
Laetitia Felix conceived naturally after three ectopic pregnancies and an early loss—through the same tube doctors recommended removing.
IVF was presented as her only option, but she chose to explore inner healing and spiritual connection instead.
Emotional processing, mindset work, and womb healing played a major role in restoring her health and fertility.
Connecting with her spirit baby gave her reassurance, peace, and a sense of divine timing.
Fertility healing isn’t one-size-fits-all—trusting your intuition and calming the nervous system are foundational.
Guest Bio:
Anne-Claire Le Bihan @anneclairelebihan is a Spirit Baby Medium and Spiritual Fertility Guide who has helped hundreds of women around the world connect with their Spirit Babies and bring their dreams of motherhood to life. Through her Bring Your Spirit Baby Home program, private sessions, and meditations, Anne-Claire guides women to clear emotional and energetic blocks, deepen their trust, and align their body, mind, and spirit for conception. Blending intuition with grounded spiritual tools, her mission is to empower women to feel supported, connected, and truly held on their journey to motherhood.
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Michelle: Welcome to the podcast Leticia.
Leatitia: Thank you so much, Michelle, for having me. I'm very honored.
Michelle: It's a pleasure having you and I know you have like a really, uh, amazing story, long story, uh, difficult story to tell on your own fertility journey and um, and I love hearing these stories, especially when it brings you to doing the work that you are [00:02:00] doing today and helping so many other people. So I'd love for you to share your story and how you got through it and.
Eventually conceived and had your kids.
Leatitia: Yeah, that's, uh, that'd be my pleasure to share. Um, well, basically I, uh, I, uh, yes, it was a long journey, let's put it that way. It took me four years to conceive. Um, I didn't have any ID that would take that long. I just, uh, uh, basically I was on a pill for a very long time, uh, which was, uh. Going, looking back now, I know it was one of the, a big mistake because I then was diagnosed with adenomyosis.
So that was we talking, uh, in my early thirties when I thought, oh, let's, uh, stop planning for, uh, what I knew I wanted, uh, all my life, uh, which is having children. Um. I didn't meet the right partner when my twenties. So, you know, it's, it's very common to [00:03:00] start really family around 30. So I thought, okay, let's stop the pill.
Um, but then as we know now, you know, when you stop the pill you realize after if you had issues, this is when it all comes. You know, times, you know, 4, 5, 10. So basically I realized, um, long story short, I did some tests. I had very painful, heavy periods. Um, I realized I had, uh, well, I realized I did the test that told me I had adenomyosis, which is kind of.
Sister of endometriosis and they told me at that point that fertility could be an issue. Um,
they also gave me medication and I'm really not good with medication. I'm not good with all medical side of things. Um, so anyway, I still took them. Um, but then I thought, okay. I'm still gonna try and it might just not affect me.
I don't know if that's what affected me, but that's just to give a bit of idea of what was in the background when [00:04:00] I started. Um, and then I, um, I just thought, you know, um, I didn't know anything, anything about what conception. I mean, now I know how. It's so much more than just, uh, the sperm meat, the egg, and especially for any woman out there, you know, um, going through, um, fertility issues, we know that, um, it's, it's so much more complex.
Uh, you need to create really the right environment. So I can talk about that after. But basically at the time I just thought, you know, I'll give you a try. And actually we get pregnant very easily within six months. Um, so, um. At that point I was 34, I think, or 35. Uh, and everything was very happy days. You know, I made the special declare, um, announcement to my partner on his birthday.
Everything was amazing. Uh, but, uh, I suffered for my first ectopic pregnancy. So, uh, I found that maybe a [00:05:00] week or two weeks after when I started to bleed and. That's when the story really started to get complicated. So altogether I had three ectopic throughout the four years, and I had one early, uh, early loss.
Um, so I won't go through all of them, but basically it's pretty much every year I had a loss. Um, I, after the second loss, that's when I started to do all the tests. Um. Um, mentioned also the ectopic pregnancy is very dangerous. So when it happened, thankfully I managed to keep my, uh, fertility tube, my fertility, uh, sorry, my fallopian tubes.
Um, but I was treated with medication and that also had a knock on effect on my health. Um, so as if it wasn't bad enough to have suffered a loss, also my health suffered. Um, the medication is very, very strong and I had to have two dosage. Um, I think they call it, uh, it's like a [00:06:00] chemo treatment actually.
It kills all your cells. Um, so you can just imagine. And after that, the knock on effect was, uh, gut health issues, um, mental. I suppose anxiety, panic attacks, like mental issues. Um, I also suffered like skin issues. I found that after
that. Sorry.
Michelle: That's a very strong
Leatitia: Yeah, it's very strong. I mean, it depletes you from all your folates, you know, inside your body.
But I don't think it's just that. I think it's so much more. Um, if you imagine you kill all your good back, you know, you talk a lot about the gut health, so obviously, you know, uh. It, it's, it's, it's got all this effect on your health, but also on your conception, on your fertility health. So this is, um, it, it actually got worse from worse.
And then after my first loss or my second loss, sorry, the second was in the ectopic, was an early misca, early, [00:07:00] um, chemical pregnancy. Um, um, that's when I started to really look into my symptoms and thought, okay, uh. I started to look into naturopathy and acupuncture and uh, you know, to all the women out there, I can only highly, I know you talk about that a lot, but I can only highly recommend.
I mean, it goes hand in hand to me, the importance of the gut health and on, you know, the overall health of your body. Um, not just. Not just the supplement we take for, for fertility, but everything around the digestion, around, uh, the blood flow, all of that. So, uh, it really helped me, but, uh, clearly it wasn't enough, um, because then I suffered the Novec topic and when I started to do all the medical tests, you know, um, everything came back pretty normal, apart from the fact that they said my egg reserve was low.
Um, they said that, um, I was approaching 40, so the only option for me [00:08:00] would be IVF. Um, and I have nothing against IVF, but I just don't like how it's thrown at the only option. We were actually looking at. Anything else they never said. Oh. Food is very important. You know, food, food is very like important into your fertility, um, your mental health, your emotions, your mindset, everything that are now, no, none of none of the doctors would talk about that.
So, um, I didn't go for IVF, uh, because. Um, it didn't feel right to me at the time, and also I was told that you had more chances of having ectopic. So I thought, well, you know, um, I don't see how, and, you know, I think like you have to prepare yourself mentally to do that, and I, I thought it would be at some point, maybe a plan B, but I was really trying to find the root of the issues also, although I was told it's unexplained, you know, that, that big thing.
Michelle: With IVF more chances for [00:09:00] ectopic
Leatitia: Yes. That's what they told me when I went for IVF. Um, um, you know, one of those meeting to, to discuss it with the clinic. Uh, they said the,
Michelle: That's strange.
Leatitia: yeah.
Michelle: 'cause they usually put it into, they, they implant it. It's actually, IVF started out to say, uh, the reason why it started was really for people who didn't have fallopian tubes because they would, um, transfer it right into the uterus. So I've never heard anything about. Ectopic pregnancy with
Leatitia: Yeah, I suppose like ectopic is not just a fallopian tube though. Um, it, it's outside of the womb, but it's, it doesn't have to be just a fallopian tube. Uh, but they, they told me the, the, I, I don't have the exact numbers, but at the time they gave me the, uh. The rates of, you know, um, ectopic with the IVF treatments.
Maybe that's not the exactly accurate thing. But anyway, he didn't convince me at the time,
so I was like that along [00:10:00] with all the medication and everything to take. I thought, okay. Um, and also I didn't have any medical, um, you know, medical. Uh, specific issue. I had an unex unexplained diagnosis. So to me, uh, I felt that it was more to it, but that wasn't
Michelle: But that's so strange too to me, um, because you, you had adenomyosis,
Leatitia: I had that.
Uh,
Michelle: an explanation.
Leatitia: yeah, it isn't inflammation. You're right. But the, when I did all the testing in terms of my hormones, my tubes wear tested, um, my, um. The, the egg reserve was low. Um, but that's what they came up, you know, they said, well, you, you can't get pregnant. That was the answer as well. Well, you can get pregnant as you get pregnant four times.
Um, well, not four times. At the time it was twice. Um, so there's no reason why you can't get pregnant. There's no, nothing we can do for the ectopic. Um, so [00:11:00] let alone when I had three I was like, well, surely, uh, and it's always been on the left side as well when you look more on the spiritual side, you know, the feminine side.
So I don't know if that's anything to do with that, but obviously dig more into it. I also sp spoke to a baby spirit com, you know, um, person that spoke to the baby spirit, and I learned so much more about the divine timing and things like that.
Michelle: Oh, so talk to us about all of it. Don't, don't leave anything out. 'cause that's very
Leatitia: Um, well, when I, when I did, when I went through those losses, I, um, obviously as I said, I did the physical side. All my symptoms were gone in terms of like my skin issue, my all of a sudden eczema, my asthma that came out of nowhere. After the di, the drugs, the, the digestion issue, all of that was cleared. So I was, you know, in a good place physically, but, um, I.
As I said, I had another topic and then that's when I, during that time, I also turned to Angelic Raiki. I came across that, you know, the [00:12:00] universe got funny way of showing things. I kept hearing Raiki Raiki. I was like, what is Raiki? Um, and long story short, I came, you know, I met my healer now that I've known for over 10 years, um, who trained into Angelic, and I start looking into this.
I always believe in something more than you know. Um. Uh, you know, the, the universe and all of the, the spiritual side. Um, but that really like helped me as well to feel, uh, also I lost my mom before I went through all of these fertility issues, so, you know.
Thank you. So I felt like I had kind of a spiritual awakening at the time.
Um, and so when I turn to, um, baby spirit, um, communi, I dunno how you call them, but the, you know, suppose,
Michelle: Spirit,
Leatitia: yeah.
Michelle: Yeah. Spirit, baby, communication and medium.
Leatitia: I dunno how you call them. Mediums, I suppose. Um,
Michelle: Yeah.
Leatitia: it wasn't, it wasn't something that was woohoo for me. For me that [00:13:00] was a normal, natural thing. I just wanted to know more. So I thought is, is there any other way that I can actually understand what's coming up? What's coming up in terms of the baby spirits?
So what I was told at the time was that the first loss wasn't. The baby, the soul of the baby was never meant to come to earth. It was meant to help me grow spiritually. And um, so it was part of my path basically. It was growth. And I suppose with time as well, I suppose I realized that all this journey, all, it's very hard to understand once you are in it.
Wasn't ha wasn't happening to me, it was happening for me, um, in a way that. That helped me to understand about, you know, as I said, nutrition, it changed my way of doing, my mind, my mindset. I changed how I learn about all the mindset stuff, so. So that was part of it. And [00:14:00] then I also spoke to my, my daughter that now I have, um, with me, and that was, that was part of the losses as well.
And she said I wasn't ready yet. And also it was about her, she was meant to come at a specific time and it was not yet her time. Um, but it was, you know, reassurance within that for me because I was like, I'm not going crazy. I am gonna become a mom. My baby's out there. It's just that.
When it happens, you've got so much fear and you're like, I've always known deep down I'm gonna be a mom.
This is like something I've always, and also when I lost my mom, I was like, need to have that bond with, I always believed that be having a daughter, a daughter as well. That's, you know, and. It's like I need to have that same bond I had with my mom and I, I just can't accept that. I'm not gonna have one.
It was so ingrained inside me. So when that happened, I thought, I'm not completely crazy then it is happening. It's just, I didn't understand [00:15:00] why I had to go through all of that, and I guess it gave me some kind of, I can't say closure, but like explanation.
Michelle: Like hope also.
Leatitia: Yeah. Um, I wish I knew it before in a way. 'cause I was like, well, when you are in that spiral, you just, you know, my mistake going through all the f losses is that I never stopped.
I always wanted to keep going. I'm kind of that person. I need to find solution, I need to keep going. And so I never grieved, I suppose I never, uh, until I, I came to the fourth loss and that's when I think I had a. I had a, I had a moment where I thought, okay, I have to stop everything. Um, so going through those losses, coming to the third ectopic, I remember being in that, in that hospital corridor and I was very lucky because those drugs only happened the first time.
And then I know some women go from like, [00:16:00] um. Tube ruptures and they have to go for surgery, and it, it can be very life threatening. So I'm very blessed that I didn't have that and my fallopian chip remained, and I had to go through expectant management on the la the, the next ectopic, which means you let your body just process the loss and, and, you know, um, remove the pregnancy basically.
Um. But after the third one, the doctor in the hospital said, okay, I've got a surgery in half an hour. Look, his watch, uh, let's go and remove your tube. And I was a bit shocked because my, uh, hc my hormone levels were really low. And, and so when it's that almost, almost non-existent, um, you technically not in danger or anything, so you supposed to do expectant management.
So I was like, why do I have to do that? And his answer was very [00:17:00] uncompassionate was, well, you've had free ectopic. How many more do you want? And I was,
yeah. Um, that was shocking to me. 'cause I was like, that's not really a way for me to convince me to do it, or even to show me compassion. I'm going through a loss.
Um, but he was exactly his words. I mean, it's stuck in my mind. And I said, listen. I've asked the question in a way I took back my control because I was giving my power away through all those years. And I, I was so happy to take bit back my control and say, listen, is my health in danger? Is any, you know, what are the reason for doing that?
And he said this to, to prevent another topic. And I'm like, okay, I need to take the night to think about this. Um, which I did. And he said, well, we need to do it while you're going through it because you can't, we can't remove your tube after. Again, I dunno if that's true, but that was the answer
Michelle: That makes no sense to me.
Leatitia: I.
Michelle: That's crazy.
Leatitia: Me neither but us.
It was really [00:18:00] his answer. He said, we have to do it while you're going through the next few days. We can't do it whilst you don't have, you know, pregnant anymore. So I'm like, okay. Um, anyway, talk to work with my partner. And I really followed my gut on that one. I, and this is what was the part, the kind of the moment where I decided, okay, I need to trust myself again.
Um, and I decided not to do it. I said to my partner, maybe we'll talk about IVF, maybe we'll do something else. But for now I think we need to give you one more shot. And long story short, again, the following year, the exact same month, I believe, yeah, the exact same month, I fell naturally pregnant on the left.
Same tube that was. Going to be removed, which is my left tube. I didn't do anything else physically from the third ectopic to the natural pregnancy. Uh, except from then working a lot on my mindset, on my energy, and on the emotion processing, which this is what I've learned and [00:19:00] now to teach my clients. Um, and so yeah, so after that, that loss and that talk with the doctor and not doing it, uh, we decided to take a break. And that's what I mean by take back my power suppose. And, and also just stopping the race. I felt like I was on a race on the
forget marathon. It was like, you know, and I was, I was paralleling out of control in terms of who I was. Um, in terms of like, well, social life didn't exist anymore. My partner, my relationship was going.
Just me being cry, either crying or being completely obsessive or, you know, just talk about, it was just all we talked about, as I'm sure a lot of women can relate, was conception, uh, and stress. And my body was in complete fear. Um, fight or flight mode, like survival, [00:20:00] basically. So I said, if we are gonna give you one more try, um, I wanna give it my best shot.
And I can't carry on that way because if a novel loss happened, I don't know where I will be at that point. So we need to get back to ourselves. And
that's what we did. Yeah.
Michelle: So that was when you took the year off and then you conceived
Leatitia: Yes. Uh, I mean, it was always trying naturally anyway, but we took about. Um, so, so I got pregnant in, in, in October. Uh, and the loss, the previous loss was also October, so we took, we started again as I think, yeah, we started again in July. So I wouldn't say it was a year, but yeah, nine months approximately to completely switch off from conception.
And I'm talking, not even trying, purposely not talking about it, but come back to the basics, which was joy. Connection, self love, but also so much emotional [00:21:00] processing because
you know when you stop and you're like, this is when everything comes back, and you're like, actually I never, I didn't stop. I didn't want to, um, face those emotions and I didn't want to because I, if I would, I wouldn't be strong enough and I wouldn't be able to carry on.
So I had to carry on. Um, yeah, but I've learned that he. It's not about, it's not about not slowing down. It's not about perfection or, or, or like being strong. It's actually about processing as well. And, and let your body, your mind, process everything, uh, in order to be actually stronger in, in that sense.
What I mean by S strong is give your body the best chance to thrive. Um, you know, so. Yeah.
Michelle: The way I see it is we need to digest emotions just like we digest food, and [00:22:00] if we don't fully digest it, it sits there. It really sits there and it drains our energy. Like overall, um, did you feel, did you, how, how did you feel that it was a left side tube? Would, did you feel like ovulation on the left side
Leatitia: Yeah, they told me. So every
time, yeah, I do feel it, to be honest, even to this day now, for some reason it's something about the left side. I always ovulate and I do feel the sensation. Uh, but even though as you get, uh, yeah, they're able to say that every single time. So. I would, once you have one ectopic, you have to go for, for, for your test, for your scan, interest scan around seven, eight weeks.
And they're always able to say you've ovulate, you've conceived from that side.
Um, so at that time I didn't.
Michelle: That's
Leatitia: Yeah, I didn't always know at the time. I didn't always feel it, but now I must say I do. I do feel the physical sensation of the left side, which is [00:23:00] very funny. I dunno if there's a spiritual, there was a, there was another side to it.
Then why Is it always on the left or is it just I always ovulate on the left.
Michelle: It's that yin um, that yin energy, which it seems kind of like a, sometimes the universe gives you hints and your body gives you hints on what it is that you need to focus on. And it really is symbolic. It's kind of like this reflection of what's happening not just in your body, but also your psyche. And I think it's just really interesting.
Uh, I always talk about. How being in the fight or flight really shuts down creativity. It shuts down regeneration. It shuts down joy. I mean, 'cause you can't afford to do anything. You're kind of on backup reserves and it's like, uh, everything has to shut down. Nothing else can matter at this moment. And to have that state become chronic is extremely taxing on the
Leatitia: Yeah. And it's, I was [00:24:00] very much in my masculine side, you know, having to be productive, having to tick off the box, what's next? What did I not try yet? What would the next thing I can try, you know, that, that kind of mental state, um, as well as the despair and the sadness and everything. Um, but yeah, you're right.
It's, it's then opened up so much for me. I mean, don't get me right. Don't get me wrong, it's not easy, but for me,
Michelle: Yeah. It's
Leatitia: it, it's very, that's what people actually. Sometime avoid it. But for me, feeling is part of healing. And if you don't feel your emotions, I, I practice now, you know, EFT tapping, which helps me, I. A lot.
I mean, I've now, uh, trained into it and I, I was the first skeptical. Um, it's, it's one method. Uh, you know, you could work for some people in the sense that if you believe it, but for me, it works a hundred percent with everyone I, I do it with. But what I like about it is that it gives you that, say, that [00:25:00] space where you actually.
Um, bring awareness to that emotion. You know, you can even talk to your emotions. You know, you see where it's left in your body and as it starts to shift, you, it moves from like being, being in your chest to your throat or anywhere. And this is when you really, even to client that don't especially know about it, they realize that it's all energy and it all really.
If you leave it, as we said, it just will stay stuck in your, in your body and it creates all kind of things. Um. And also how much can you, how much can you keep up? Can you, can you keep in as well, you know, eventually, uh, it's floating because it's too much that you've held in all this time. You know, if you've got one loss, two loss, or any other traumatic experience, to be honest, um, I think for me, the key, it's very, to very much to slow down and process, um, take the time and.[00:26:00]
Yeah, it's, it's conflictual when it comes to conception because we are in one side wanting to hurry and be pregnant and try again. Um, but on the other side, funny enough, slowing down is beneficial for us. Um, that's why I believe it anyway.
Michelle: It absolutely is. I think it's just beneficial overall. You know, you can kind of like take whatever it is and kind of insert, you know, the topic. And the topic can be many different things. And, and in this case we're talking
about fertility, but there's many different topics. Um, sometimes it's relationships, sometimes.
It's jobs or you know, obviously jobs are not as important, but sometimes it is relationship. I mean, when you're younger and you're trying to meet your partner, it could be also the
center focus. And so sometimes over trying can get in the way of that flow and that natural. Ability to connect with [00:27:00] or align with who is right for you.
So it's kind of like that flow in general in life. It blankets on everything ultimately. And it's kind of like that trust and that knowing. 'cause as soon as we shut down, we also shut down our ability to connect with our wisdom and our
inner guide. And so that's incredibly important and it's a huge asset to the
Leatitia: Yeah, for me a hundred percent that, I mean, you know, you're speaking my mind, but it's, um, that inner connection, that's the, that's one of the first thing I wanna teach the woman I speak to, but also that I went through myself and as you said. What I like about, in a way, and what I said earlier about this happening for me is because everything I've learned, you know, whether it is how I eat, whether it is what I put in my body, the way you nourish your mind and nourish your body with your thoughts, your belief, everything, whether your energy, your processing emotion, all of that, it's for [00:28:00] lifetime.
You know, it's something that I've learned for everything, even as obviously as a mom as well as we know motherhood is another story, but it's like, it, it, it's for everything. And that's what I wanna teach my child as well. You know, we don't, we don't learn about mindset or. Emotions, uh, about nervous system.
Maybe we learn in some places, but I've not learned that school. So, uh, it's a lifetime thing. And, and that inner wisdom, it's definitely also something, I mean, um, I haven't talked about that, but also worked with my womb during that
time. Those nine months, um, reconnected to my womb, uh, but also.
Michelle: So interesting that you took nine months off.
Leatitia: Yeah, isn't it?
And that actually, I never thought about that. Um, yeah. So many little signs, but yeah. The womb
healing.
Michelle: like a rebirthing of your own energy.
Leatitia: Yeah, it is. Um, um, and um, the womb [00:29:00] healing was also very powerful. I mean, as women, we store so much. and, and trauma and even ancestral things inside our womb. And that healing process was very, uh, transformative as well.
Very powerful. Um, so yeah. But uh, coming back to what you said, the inner wisdom, we get so much information out there, don't we, in terms of facility? I know it's, it applies to everything, but in this case we're talking about that. So like, do this, do that, try this, uh, or, and, and, and we all are unique. We are.
It is no one size fits all. So when you, if you don't come back to inner wisdom, then you just, in a way. You don't know what's right for you, but when you come back to your inner knowing, your, your, your power, and you will know your, you know, that gut feeling that that thing that, that soul telling you, what is that [00:30:00] is right for you, your inner, your, your, your own soul, basically your higher self or however you want to call it.
But for me, that's how I call it. Um, that's where you should even start. Right? And that's why then it, it, you know, when I realized and when I got pregnant a year later and I. From that same tube, I was like, oh my God, I should never really, um, ever, um, doubt my gut feeling, you know? And I know the fear and everything else, or the, or the noise around us, um, can, can cause that to doubt it.
Uh, and the fear specifically, I think the fear is, is very something that can do that. But it's about teaching ourself to go back within, isn't it? And um, yeah. That is so important, the inner wisdom, because then you can filter things. You don't have to try the whole everything single thing in the world.
You try what your body, your own body needs or what it is that you need right now. Um, yeah, I think that's important.[00:31:00]
Michelle: Well, I, I always say this is kind of like something that I've always felt, and it's kind of, I guess like something that I find myself repeating is that all roads lead to the light. And sometimes we can do a huge detour and resist, resist, resist, and we're just gonna push back that road. That leads to the light.
I look at the vessels, the blood vessels, all of them lead to the heart. Eventually it all leads the, the blood back to the heart. Some of them are further out and some of 'em are more direct, and it's the same kind of thing with us. I think that our bodies are such a, a great reflection of just our lives and how things work, and we can either flow with it and allow it.
Relax into it, and then that will actually get us there faster, or we can fight it and slow it down, and that will take a little longer. It'll, but it'll eventually still lead to our personal growth and our journey and [00:32:00] ultimately, like our, our dreams or our calling, I call it a calling because it's something that you are called to do and you know that it's there.
You had mentioned before, which I thought was really powerful, that you knew you were meant to be a mother. You felt it, and I don't think that feeling is a random thing. I think it's there for a reason. I think that that is your highest self pointing you to a way that you're actually meant
to
Leatitia: Yeah, no, I, I a hundred percent believe, and you know what I, I, when, and then I start connecting with my daughter, um, uh, way before she was born, well, way before, like, obviously during that time. Um, and it, it's, it's incredible because it, it just proved to me that it was real, you know? Um. Yeah, that gut feeling that that knowing I would be a mom, that was more than just wishing, honestly, this was ingrained inside me from like a long time ago.
The fact that I always, even like I used to tell, I used to tell my friend, I'm gonna have a daughter first. I don't know why, don't ask me. [00:33:00] But I know, and I still think now I'm 45 and I still think I'm gonna have a boy coming up and I'm, you know, I'm putting everything in place for him to come. But I've been connecting with my daughter before that.
And the funny is, um. You know, kids, uh, children these days are very, very open. They, they're very, and and, um, believe it or not, she, she told me one day when she was three or 4-year-old, three or four, I think, um, uh, she described me exactly, she described me exactly when we used to meet in my meditation, and I used to connect with her as a baby soul.
Um. It was her, with her with another, with a little boy that always visualized them two together. And um, so I used to go always in that safe space and I learned how to connect with the baby spirits, basically. But the funny thing was, one day she said at the table, you remember mommy, when we used to go on that swing, uh, with [00:34:00] my baby brother?
And um,
Michelle: Oh my God, I got the chills.
Leatitia: like. Um, you went to the nursery, did you have a friend or something? You know, I, I tried every, every angle that she could mean, you know, and she was speaking well, it's just that I was like, I don't understand what she. Because it can't be that. And she described it so much. Um, and then I said, but you don't have a, you don't have a younger brother.
Uh, and she said, but it was, and then I said, well, was daddy with us? No, it was just us three. You remember? But you know, it was crazy. And then she said, but it was a dream. Mommy, you remember a dream? And then she started talking about something random and completely switched the conversation. And I was like, hold on, hold on.
Can we go back to this?
And we're so like open. And she also said randomly one day to us, to me and my partner, she said, I'm the one who choose you as my parents. [00:35:00] And you know, when it, it's not something that you have taught her or you've taught her, you, you know, you know, how does she come up with this stuff?
It's crazy to me. It's not crazy because I believe it, but it's just confirming what you know. But it's kind of weird to hear it from the child's, you know, mouth and it's like, wow.
Michelle: Because you usually know it on a, a very innate personal sense. It's more of a sense. You usually don't see it, um, kind of in the material world as much. It's like, you know, sometimes the knowing can be something that is there but is not typically in our world seen right there in front
Leatitia: Which is incredible to see it, isn't it? To, to hear it and to be having that confirmation. So, um, but yeah, just to say that, yeah, that is very real too. And, and as much as we know, um, conception is so much more than, as we said, as I said earlier. You know, the sperm in the egg, you know, it's so many different aspects, the [00:36:00] right environment for your mind, for your, for your body and everything.
But it's also about divine timing and it's also about, you know, is this, is, is the journey of your own soul is your journey of your partner. It is, it's free souls involved in this process. So we have to remember that it's, it's, it's not just us as well. Um,
Michelle: Yeah.
It's too sacred for a checklist, you know? And I think that it, it's become such a checklist, but it, it's too sacred. It, it has to have another element. I. Added and sprinkled in to the
journey than just the physical, like what to eat, what you know it, it's the same thing when you're together with a partner that you love, and if you make it a checklist to the finish line and you're not spending time with a romance, the energy that can
connection and making it all physical, to me, it's just another [00:37:00] example
Leatitia: Yeah. No, I, I agree. Yeah. It's a, it's a whole holistic, that's how the best way holistic process, but in really every sense of the term. Um, and, uh, yeah. And yeah, I think, I think it's important to remember that, but also to give our self-compassion, uh, 'cause we know as a woman we, we just blame ourselves so much.
What we're doing wrong, what we didn't do right. What, what's happened. But, um, yeah. It's about also coming back to self-love, compassion, and understanding. There's more to it than just what, you know. We can do things of course, and we, but it's, it's, um. I also hate the fact that it becomes very medical. You know, as soon as you become this, this, you have this, um, diagnosis, it becomes very medical and you forget about, well, you don't forget, but you are not really, um, told about the holistic, the holistic [00:38:00] part of it, and.
You get lost into that process sometimes. So I think that's why, for me, I also created, um, what I've created to help other woman because I, I want them to come back to themself and it's, it's, it's not just, it is fertility, of course, and we want to get ultimately to, for them to get pregnant and keep the pregnancy, but it's also about coming back to themself.
You know, uh, and even if you are doing medical, it's not about, it's not about not doing IVF or not doing medical. I, I, I absolutely, um, understand that you have to do it sometimes. Um, it's about you can combine both, you know,
Michelle: Yes, a
Leatitia: can, you can,
Michelle: I, I say the same
Leatitia: you can prepare the,
Michelle: and, the medical's there. It's amazing. It could be a miraculous to have the medical
Leatitia: Yeah. Yeah, you can prepare. You know, it's about preparing the soul, isn't it?
The environment for your pregnancy to thrive. [00:39:00] Um, or your,
or your,
Michelle: You could work 'em both
Leatitia: sorry.
Michelle: to support one another. A hundred
Leatitia: yeah, yeah. Exactly. And it's about, so for me, yeah, it's whether you try naturally or medically, it's about coming also back to everything, the holistic process. Yeah.
Michelle: For sure, and I find it really interesting that you talked about meditation, how that ultimately is how you connected with your daughter. It's through meditation. We cannot connect like effectively with our. Higher selves without getting quiet. We need to get quiet in order to do that because our highest selves are not gonna be found outside of us,
Leatitia: exactly.
Michelle: and we're always gonna be distracted when we're focused on the outside and sometimes kind of leaving that, even if it's for five, 10 minutes, preferably 20 and connecting inwards, that's when you can [00:40:00] really connect.
And interestingly enough. I believe that I manifested really a lot of my life and there were like things that I manifested that were like pretty insane. Even my husband, I described him like, and a month later I
met him, but described his personality and I told people about it and a lot of people did the same thing.
They're like, it's not working for me. And then I look back and I finally realized. Kind of the secret ingredient that I sprinkled in at the time, which was I started meditating around that time. And what I think happens is you meditation can prime your nervous system, which is really a system of information and connection and information to and from.
So from within you out to the universe, from the universe out inside to you through wisdom, guidance, alignment, and. It's not easy to manifest if you're not in that state of [00:41:00] alignment and your nervous system is not receptive. This kind of like highway of information is not receptive and primed in a balanced state.
And so when you talked about how you connected with your daughter. It was like you went into meditation, you got people talk about downloads all the time, like that's when you're opening yourself or you're giving yourself that opportunity to connect with this divine energy.
Leatitia: a hundred percent. And, um, I agree with you. I, for me, visualization is a big part of what I do for myself for, for, again, for the woman I help. Um, but you. I actually read a book. I'm reading a book about visualize, it's called visualization, and I love it. I've always been about law of attraction and, and, and, and all of that manifestation.
And, um, but visualization. It says in that book exactly what you've said. Um, one work, if you've got busy mind, I mean, it doesn't mean that you, you can't have [00:42:00] thoughts, but it's about calm, nervous system first. Um, so breathing meditation, you know, and. Just stop for a second. Just go inwards. Um. I think actually even go sometime when you stop as well.
It also help with the emotion healing, isn't it? I, I couldn't be processing emotion if I'm just like going around and doing all those things and be like, so no, you've gotta stop. So, but the same thing for visualization or for meditation, like when I, I was doing the connection, uh, absolutely right. First of all, I would always first calm my nervous system.
Breathe, be in the moment. Because if you could be on the, on high alerts, you know, on thing, it's very hard. You, you, my connection wouldn't work. I couldn't visualize anything. It just doesn't work for me. Um, but visualization, it's, it's, uh, it's a whole different again, thing, but it's, it's so, it's so powerful.
For me, it's, um, I do hypnosis as well, and, [00:43:00] uh, I think it helps as well the mind to settle. Um, but it's very powerful. Um, you know, the brain as you know, it doesn't know what's, what's, what's real and what's not real. So the more you feed, you know, I've, I've manifested the same as you said about your partner.
I did the same with mine. Uh, uh, and I believe I manifested so much in my life. Um. But I know it's not always easy. I'm not saying it's easy. You know when you go through that time of doubts and also all the noise, everything that you've been told, and I think that's why it's so important to. For me, when I, I, I talk about mindset.
It's not about being positive, it's not about not being stressed, it's not about being perfect. You can neither be, you can't do any of it, none of that. It's okay to be stressed and it's normal, it's human. Um, affection doesn't exist. Um, but it's about getting the right tool to [00:44:00] learn, you know, learning how to, um.
Treat your mind, but also nourish your thoughts. So it's, it's about, for me, bigot thoughts are gonna happen, but what can you do to introduce new thoughts? What can you do to be more in control of those thoughts and actually reframe some of them, you know?
Um, I think that's very important, but. Yeah, I'm saying that because we talk about, yeah, it's all good to say, oh yeah, do that, do that, visualize and that, and of course you're gonna have those emotional, crazy moments.
Um, it's all gonna happen, but you can, if you allow time each day, you know, okay, let's, let's do this strategy where you are not gonna think about. The worst thing that can happen, just focus on visualizing, breathing, calming the nervous system. Allow maybe even, even if it's 15 minutes a day, just for this 15 minutes to try [00:45:00] to raise your vibration and be like, what can I do that actually shifts my mood today?
Is it listening to my best song track? Is it going in nature? So it's about living space in a day to actually not do the, the same thing over and over again, which is thinking or even like go on Facebook or somewhere and, and just look at the worst story that can happen because actually it fits your mind with all those things.
And then, um. Yeah, that, that, that is also, um, mindset nourish, bad nourishment, if I can call it that way. Um,
I dunno if I'm making myself clear, but
yeah.
Michelle: yeah.
and it is, I find sometimes it could be a difficult topic to talk about because it is so abstract and words are a little more analytical. So to try to bridge that, A lot of times when people have mystical experiences, one of the most frustration that they, uh. Like coming across as that they can't [00:46:00] get an out.
Clearly they can't verbalize it, that these experiences are so vast that it's hard to really describe. But I think that that's why it's so important to really sit there and become with it and like kind of be with it and feel it and experience it. I find. For me, what's always worked is really non-resistance.
Even things that happen that you don't like to just be with it and to look at it in a more neutral light because it's true. A lot of many teachers have have said this, that most of events in life are actually more neutral than we make in make them to be because we assign meaning to
things. And that's why you'll tend, you'll find 10 different people and you'll find 10 different meanings to the same exact circumstance.
Leatitia: Yeah, no, I agree. Um, yeah, it's such a, it's such a complex [00:47:00] journey, but I think it's, um, you know, every little helps, but it is one step at a time as well, you know? Um,
Michelle: Yeah.
Leatitia: and, uh, when I, I think the, the. What I don't like as well is that when we talk about mindset or when we talk about, you know, mindset with fertility, um, it's, it's often, um, it's often, um, talk about like. You have to be positive or, or you know, it, it's not really explained in, in that way. That why is it actually in that book? Visualize, they talk about mindset and they said, oh, we talk about looking after our body, but the mind is half of our health, so why are we not really looking into it and, and caring for it as as much?
Um. But I think when it comes to fertility, for me mindset, just want to say that it's not just being positive. It's, it's about, uh, it's, it's the lens for [00:48:00] which we see our reality. And the way we fit it is like our belief. It is like our stories, our experience, it's our, um, identity. It's, it's the values is the, you know, that's what it's, it's, it's the thoughts that we do.
That's the behaviors. Um, it's all linked, isn't it? The way you think, the way you feel, the way you act there, the, the behavior. So, um, yeah, for me it's so important to, to, to look at that as well, um, and to not think it's not, it's not just about being, know, positive or anything like that. So, um, that's.
Michelle: Yeah, and I think processing emotions um, means you have to validate your emotions and kind of validate your experience in that moment. And so allowing that, I think is, is a huge part of the process.
Leatitia: Yeah. Yeah. [00:49:00] Um, yeah, it definitely is. I didn't talk about acupuncture as well. I know you do acupuncture. I, that's also something that I thought was very helpful for me. Uh, acupuncture. Um, but yeah. If I can, uh, if I can advise anything, I would say, um, definitely start going back within and, and, and allow some time to go back within and just calm the nervous system I.
And, you know, it's about, and it's not just, as I said, one size fits all. It's about what fits what is right for you. You know, I, when I, when I do my, um, when I work with my clients, I never, it, it's, it's not, it's always tailored to the, to the person. Some person might hate journaling, some person actually not good at doing hypnosis for too long.
Some person are not good at visualizing. So it's really about what works for you. Um. To really help your nervous system and your [00:50:00] mindset and the way you are gonna show up every day.
Michelle: Absolutely. Um, so if people are hearing this and they wanna find you, how can they find you?
Leatitia: Yeah. So, uh, they can email me. I mean, I'm sure you would leave my, you probably leave my details there, so.
Michelle: Yes. All your information's gonna be in the episode
Leatitia: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, it's mindset, body and soul mindset. Body and soul for the Instagram. So, uh, you can contact me on Instagram. You can, uh, check my website also. Um, I have three discovery call. Happy to discuss, see how I can help.
See if we fit, of course. 'cause it's a two way street. Uh, see if anything that I say resonates. Um, I help women that basically, I mean, usually women, um, either they try everything and medically nothing is wrong. So it's an explained, uh, a lot of times and they want to see what else they can do. So we really go, [00:51:00] um.
We go with the whole part. So I always advise for the, for the body side of it, which means that the nourishment, the, the, you know, uh, the gut health, the acupuncture, you know, this is something that would always advise. That's not my special specialty. But what I do is I make sure that we, we treat everything in the body, um, and we look at the mindset.
We look at the emotion, we look at the inner child, we look at the, uh, energy, we look at the wo healing. Um. We really look at self-love, compassion, and all of that. So yeah, I help women, I do bundles, I do, uh, longer programs and, uh, it's also very close to my heart to help women after loss. So I have also a program after loss and also pregnancy.
Um, once you've had loss or pregnancy after loss or pregnancy after, uh, birth trauma. There's also something like that. So, but yeah. Um, happy to go on the discovery call and answer any questions.[00:52:00]
Michelle: Wonderful. Leticia, this is a great conversation and thank you so much for sharing your journey and really sharing your wisdom and all of the wisdom that you've, uh, accumulated throughout this
journey. So thank you so
much.
Leatitia: you so much.
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