Ep 334 This Sleep Habit May Be the Key to Getting Pregnant Faster

On today’s episode, I’m joined by Dr. Peter Martone @drsleepright, an educator, injury prevention specialist, and chiropractic expert who has spent the last 25 years transforming health by helping people sleep better through spinal alignment. After a personal injury led him to uncover a surprising link between poor sleep posture and chronic health issues, Dr. Martone developed what he calls the “Corrective Sleeping Position” a method that supports spinal health, optimises vagal tone, and enhances parasympathetic nervous system function.

We dive into how nervous system imbalances impact fertility, why improving sleep is about who you become, and how simple shifts in your sleep setup can profoundly change your energy, hormone regulation, and overall wellbeing. Dr. Martone also introduces his animal sleep avatar test and shares practical advice on how to align your body and mind for optimal healing, starting in bed!

Key Takeaways: 

• The autonomic nervous system plays a central role in fertility, especially the parasympathetic (rest and digest) system.

• Correct spinal alignment during sleep can reduce nerve interference and improve organ function, including reproductive health.

• Many fertility challenges can stem from imbalances in vagal tone and nervous system inhibition.

• Dr. Martone’s “Corrective Sleeping Position” helps improve heart rate variability and promotes deeper healing at night.

• Sleep isn’t just about rest—it's about becoming a better, more aligned version of yourself.
  

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• Transcript

  [00:00:00] Episode number 334 of the Wholesome Fertility Podcast. My guest today is Dr. Peter Martone. Dr. Martone is an educator injury prevention specialist and patient care health practitioner who has been focused on improving patients biomechanics for over 25 years. During his private practice as a chiropractor and exercise physiologist, Dr.

  Martone always believed that the structure of your spine affects the function of the central nervous system, and this interference is at the root cause of most of the chronic problems people face. Dr. Martone now uses this principle as the cornerstone to help people get WAY better sleep. His techniques have been featured on C-B-S-N-B-C, Fox News and over 50 international podcasts.

  He currently travels the country teaching people how to regain their health in the bed by getting [00:01:00] way better sleep. 

  Michelle Oravitz: Welcome to the podcast, Dr. Marone. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: Thank you so much for having me. I can't wait to dive in.

  Michelle Oravitz: Me too. So I'm really intrigued. We have not had a chiropractor yet on the show. However I love chiropractic work and I also believe. That it can help a lot with the nervous system. And I often talk about the nervous system and how that impacts fertility. So I'm really excited to have this conversation.

  And before we get started, I would love for you to give us a bit about your background and how you got into the work that you do, and especially when it comes to [00:02:00] sleep. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: Yeah. Wow. That's like a, it's a big zigzag. A lot 

  Michelle Oravitz: It always is. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: we 

  Michelle Oravitz: It always 

  Dr. Peter Martone: wait. I never thought up. I never like, woke up one day and said, oh, you know what? I'm gonna be in the most exciting field of my life. I'm gonna be in the sleep industry. Like, it's so, it was like so boring. But you know, it, so what I was, I'm a chiropractor, I'm an exercise physiologist, a nutritionist.

  I've always loved the to help people. Improve their function and quality of life by changing their lifestyle. So I was, I was, I was big on helping people, what's called balance, the autonomic nerve nervous system. So there's, in our, in our system, we have organs and our organs are typically not controlled by like the conscious nerves that controlled by like autopilot stuff, which is the sympathetics and the parasympathetics.

  So what I found a long time ago is that most people when they have chronic illness or dysfunction. They have an imbalance within that autonomic nervous system. So I [00:03:00] spent a good part of my first 15 years in practice helping people balance their autonomic nervous system until finally, and I always had bad back, which isn't really what brought me to chiropractic. What brought me to chiropractic is I got adjusted once and my stomach problem went away, and, and I'm like. I'm a chiropractor, I have a bad spine, and I was in a little bit of an injury mountain biking, and I finally herniated my disc.

  So I was in the emergency room. I'm sitting there saying, how can I come to this? I've been helping people with back pain and wellness, and I'm now hooked up on Dilaudid because I'm in the emergency room because I'm, I was just, my back finally failed. And in your own brain? at a subconscious level, I felt like I was a failure because I'm like, how can.

  I not help myself, so not a really good place to be. And then, so out of big lows, a lot of times you can learn from those. And, and I have a very [00:04:00] competitive mind, so I'm like, I gotta figure this out. I have to figure out why I had disc issues and, back problems. So I started reviewing x-rays. I reviewed 3000 x-rays and I found a pattern.

  And that pattern was I had loss of cervical curve in my neck. And, and due to an adaptation, which I found is that it, it adapts with a, what's called a SOAs, major muscle spasm in your lower back, and the SOAs attaches directly to a disc. So I'm like, holy Mac, maybe I had a neck issue, no pain in my neck.

  Maybe I had neck issue all this time, and it was messing with my lower back. So I'm like, well, how do I fix that? I've been getting adjusted. I'm like, the only time I can do it is a one third of my life. I ba basically do nothing and that's sleeping. So I started to cha, I was always a side sleeper. I curled up in a ball and my back was always twisted.

  I had shoulder issues and I'm like, you know what? I bet you it's alignment when I'm sleeping. So I started [00:05:00] to put pillows under my neck and I started to force myself to sleep in a specific position, which we now call the corrective sleeping position. Then once I started to. Have my patients sleep in those positions.

  Now, their chronic issues I've been dealing with, they're needing me so much less because their body's healing really at night while they sleep, which now, hence now another 10 years later. I am in the sleep industry after 25 years of zigzag, right?

  Michelle Oravitz: That's so interesting. And so how have you noticed that impact? Well, actually let's take it back to like why chiropractic works, not just for the spine. I think people think, just like you said, you went for for back pain or for the stomach pain, or you ended up getting your stomach issues resolved. People don't, may not realize that chiropractic work.

  Can impact [00:06:00] internal organs, systems and other things other than just your back. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: Yeah. So let's look at, so this is gonna be a really different way for people to think, okay, but I'm going to make it and break it down into a very simple analogy. If you go to into a room and there are lights in the room, and then you take the dimmer switch and you dim the switch down to 50%. Somebody walks into this room, they're like, wow, it's really, it's not light in this room.

  Now what you would do is you go to the Dimmi switch and you turn it up. Well, now in our current paradigm, people don't even look at the dimmi switch as the problem. They look at the light bulb, which is the organ. Nobody looking at the nervous system going to that organ. They all look at the organ. So they'll put new bulbs in there.

  They'll put a transformer in there that puts more energy at the bulb when. The pressure, the, the, the li the, the dim switch being down is an issue. [00:07:00] So the spine is basically your fuse panel to the body and, and it's set up where these nerves come out of these holes in the spine. And if the spine's out of alignment or your hips out of alignment or your neck's out of alignment and you have these curves, you're putting pressure on a nerve.

  There's research that's been done. Pressure equal to the weight of a quarter on a nerve will cause a nerve to malfunction by 60%, leaving it only with 40% function. So think about that. If the nerve is only functioning at 40%, how can the organ be healthy? And nobody on the planet looks at that as cause of disease, except chiropractic.

  Everybody looks at it like, oh, you just get your spine adjusted 'cause you're in pain. I was never in the industry for pain. And I tell my patients, listen, I'm a little different. I said, look, I wanna help you with the pain, but if you are walking with one shoe on and one shoe off, you're gonna have back pain.

  If I just focus on [00:08:00] your back and I don't create it, don't fix the imbalance, then you're just gonna be dependent on what I do. And that's the same thing. Now, when we help our clients with chronic illness and fertility and breathing issues and digestion issues, the first thing we do is align the spine, turn up the dimmer switch.

  Then we see what happens. Internal organs.

  Michelle Oravitz: Interesting. And so what I know that obviously. Because I know in Chinese medicine there's so many different reasons that cause one thing, so we look at the root cause for fertility conditions. What have you seen so far? I. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: That is so great. So that's a great question. Now when within our sleep system we the, the, I guess you can say the crust. That, that connects all the, all the other, like everybody give anything that most of the experts tell you, you can Google, right? Oh yeah. Room temperature and beds and all this stuff.

  It's all [00:09:00] Googleable. But the crust that holds all of the, be the missing pieces, the crust, and that's, we live our life through our nervous system and everything we say, do function, feel, happens through that system. So when you look at fertility, don't look at it as the infertility, as the issue. That's the outcome.

  Look at it as. What controls fertility? People would say hormones, right? What controls hormones? Nervous system. Okay. What specific nervous system? That nervous system is called the parasympathetic nervous system. The parasympathetic nervous system is your thrive nervous system verse, your survive nervous system, which is your sympathetics.

  So you can either run from a tiger and you're in survive 'cause your body needs to get away from it. You can sleep and thrive. So our bodies thrive at night and survive during the day. So it needs to be a balance. The three systems that are controlled by your Thrive system. And when you have infertility, you have [00:10:00] an issue with all three of these systems.

  It's immune system, it's digestive system. It's reproductive system, so anybody that has an issue with one or of them has an issue with all three of them because you have an issue with parasympathetic inhibition. So, so it's not that you're just all sympathetic dominant because you're, you know, you're, you're super excited, you're inhibited because you're dimmer switch is down 50% and nobody's addressing it.

  So most of the time what we see with our, our patients that have infertility, they have issues at the atlas, which is right at the brainstem, and it's due to loss of function there, or it's down in the Coio plexus, which is in the, which is in the, in the, in the coic, which is in the pelvis. So a lot of times it's pain associated, but there's also digestion issues.

  There's eczema, there's skin issues, there's all of these other issues. But all, all that's telling us is the nervous system imbalance.

  Michelle Oravitz: That's interesting. It's interesting that you pointed [00:11:00] behind the ears because that's where you can stimulate the vagus nerve. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: Correct. That's, that is the reason why, 'cause it's true to the carotid sheath. There's three nerves that go through there. It's the vagus, the glossopharyngeal, and the spinal accessories. So, lot, lot of times if, if a, a woman has infertility, she has definitely a loss of cervical curve, but. Her hands might fall asleep or she has a thyroid issue also because of that forward posture, or she gets reflux because of the upper portion of the stomach is also addressed by the carina, which is, you know, the cough reflux

  Michelle Oravitz: Interesting. And do you see this for men? Men as well? 

  Dr. Peter Martone: I do, but a different manifestation of symptomatology. A lot of times that's gonna be a low testosterone. That's gonna be like especially with men with the prostate is a, is a big issue at that area, but men, women, some, a lot of times will have it. We're, we're seeing it now more than ever in women.

  I have my own theories on it, actually. I believe it's covid [00:12:00] vaccine, but they we're seeing a lot of heart palpitations, so we're seeing a lot of imbalance within the arrhythmia of the heart. That's why I am I have these rings on. I always measure my heart rate variability and that's what 

  Michelle Oravitz: Oh yeah. I love that. The HeartMath. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: clients. Yeah, absolutely.

  Michelle Oravitz: Yeah, so, so talk about that. I talk about it a lot too, but I always like to get different perspectives. 'cause I feel like even if it's the same topic, if somebody else talks about it, you might get something different. So, 

  Dr. Peter Martone: This is so great. So the, so just to understand what heart rate variability is, is your heart needs to beat. And when you're running from a tiger, your body wants a very rhythmic beat so that the muscle in the brain can really consistently know the amount of sugar that the organs are getting, right? So the, so when you're sympathetic dominant, which means you're in survival, you have a very rhythmic heart rate, which means if you, let's say, have a a heartbeat of 60 beats per minute, every second you have a beat.

  And that's what [00:13:00] people think is good. That is really bad to have that chronically because you put the same stress on the heart and the heart will fail. So when you're, when you're in thrive or you're parasympathetically dominant, your body's ready for anything. So the heart rate is very in irregular interval.

  So instead of every second, maybe it's 0.75 seconds. Then the next one is 1.1 second. Then the next one's 0.5 seconds. Then the next one's 0.8 seconds. So it's done.

  So you're, you're spreading the stress around the heart, which is a very healthy thing to do for the heart. But what that's telling us is when you are, when your heart rate variability is high, your parasympathetic dominant. When your heart rate variability is low, you're sympathetic dominant. So most people that have dysfunction, especially in the, in the autonomic nervous system or in the parasympathetic nervous system like fertility, they're going to have low HRV readings because they're going to be [00:14:00] sympathetic dominant.

  Whether it's due to parasympathetic inhibition because you're, you're turning, you're putting pressure at the brainstem on the vagus nerve, or it's due to you just so stressed that you never turn this on into weak muscle, whether it is, you can analyze that through these trackers and then, and then we can then, let's say meditate and then connect the subconscious brain to a scent every time you meditate and then take a heart rate variability reading.

  Then know what improves your high rate variability during the day, then connect you to a scent any other time. That's a scent. So when you smell the scent, your HRV comes down and then you can start to retrain the 

  Michelle Oravitz: It's an association. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: Yes.

  Michelle Oravitz: That's interesting 'cause I've said that before. You know, that's what in India they used to put the incense on during meditation. So immediately when you smell it, it puts you in that state so that it's quicker to get into a deeper state of meditation. And it's kind of [00:15:00] interesting how really the heart becomes so adaptive when we're in this rest and digest mode.

  The parasympathetic. And it's also more creative in a sense because it's not, it doesn't act predictably. It's creative based on the needs,

  And that's 

  Dr. Peter Martone: becomes creative when 

  Michelle Oravitz: and your body becomes creative, 

  Dr. Peter Martone: then yeah, the mind becomes creative because you're taking the blood from the, what I call the immature, ignorant child brain, right? Or the Yeah, the, the, the, the 

  Michelle Oravitz: reptilian 

  Dr. Peter Martone: Yeah. Reptilian brain. And it starts to transfer it to where really, where you can get true inspiration and innovation in, in, in, in that, in the back portion of the brain.

  So you can, you can start to think better and consequently. You, we, my, my daughter's now working on one of my companies and she's like, dad, I don't care what's mindset mastery? Because we have five core elements of sleep. I'm like, honey, mind [00:16:00] mindset mastery is like everything, right? If you, if you can master your thoughts, remember thoughts, create an adaptation within the nervous system.

  So if you want to. Be sympathetic, dominant, fair anxiety, financial stress, relationship, stress, hate, envy. Those are sympathetic emotions. If you want parasympathetic emotions, focus on gratitude, love, caring, prayer. Those are parasympathetic emotions. So if you can master the mind and focus the thought, which you can.

  Then you can focus the neurology, which is the real step in bringing back control in chronic illness.

  Michelle Oravitz: So fascinating. I love this topic and I love how you could look at it in so many different ways, but there's so many different schools of thought and they all kind of point to the same thing, even like ancient. Teachings and then now some of the current [00:17:00] research that's coming out. And it's fascinating because it really is something that can be measured, like you said, with the heart rate variability and also the heart brain coherence, and that they do actually communicate, you know, there's a communication between the two and the fact that people do have a choice in this, I think that that is often missed.

  I think that people don't realize that they actually have a choice. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: Yeah, and I think that that's, you know, that is a great. Way to say it, right? You do have a choice. And, and like I told my daughter, I'm like, you have a choice on what to think, right? And, and, and, and what we focus on is what we become. 

  Michelle Oravitz: Mm-hmm. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: When you are looking like, think about this. So I'm not, we haven't even talked about sleep.

  I've only talked about my intention. My intention is balance, the autonomic nervous system and health. Sleep is, you can't just put your head on a pillow. Buy. Buy a new what? Buy a new pillow. Buy a new [00:18:00] bed, buy a new sleep supplement and get better sleep. So what we talk about is who do you have to become to do what you need to do during the day?

  And then sleep is a byproduct of living a healthy life in our intention is everything. Our intention is balance in the nervous system. Yes, I wanna help you sleep, but I didn't enter the sleep industry to make you a better sleeper. I'm there now. I entered the sleep industry to allow you to become a healthier individual.

  So who are you when you're waking up? I want that to be a better version of you, A more energetic version of you. So we have this animal sleep avatar test that we have people take. It's a free test. And what animal do you sleep like? And then based on what animal you sleep, like I can give you. The tips specific to how you sleep and tell you how you need to fall asleep because each animal needs to fall asleep differently.

  Michelle Oravitz: That's fascinating. That's so, so I'd love to hear how you approach sleep altogether, like how [00:19:00] your method works to doing that. You'd mentioned obviously figuring out really how you sleep, what type of animal but how do you really help people? What are the different steps you take them through? 

  Dr. Peter Martone: So the, the, so think about, think about the, let, let's look at sleep as an analogy. This is a analogy that we're actually putting into our way Better Sleep program now is think about it as a, a battery charger. Okay? First thing you do with the battery charger or a charger is you have set up. So first have to set it all up, plug it in.

  You have to, you know, do a whole bunch of stuff to set up. Set up is how you fall asleep. Okay? I have three steps. It's called the triune of sleep, so we put people to sleep. Then we have the five core elements of sleep, which is when you're sleeping, are you waking up refreshed? How much. Is your energy being recharged?

  Are you only recharge it from, you know, zero to 25%, [00:20:00] 25 to 50%, 50 to 75? Or are you waking up like me? You are freaking ready for the day because your battery is so full. So most of the time where, where it, it's too complicated to dive into the five core elements 'cause there's just so much. That you have to do.

  It's, it's, it's, it's be, do, have, it's changing your life, eating right, being fit, and thinking well. So, so we, we have different roadmaps on every month. We change a different lifestyle habit to be, make somebody become healthier and then a better sleeper. But I think really where, where the most applicable advice I can give you right now is the setup in talking about what we call the triune of sleep.

  This is what 99% of the people on the planet get wrong. And this is why really my first step was figuring out the triune. And then the other step, you know, is different. So the triune of sleep is [00:21:00] this. You have three things at play when you need, when you're falling asleep, you have the body, the need, the needs of these three things, the needs of the body.

  The needs of the subconscious brain and then the needs of the conscious brain. Okay? The body wants alignment. It just doesn't want to be in pain. It just, it needs to be in a pain-free situation. The average person tosses and turns 20 to 40 times a night because the body's in pain. That's it. That's why we toss and turn, so.

  The next thing is the subconscious brain. The subconscious control sleep. The body pain will interfere with sleep or the subconscious control, sleep, the subconscious need. Safety. The sub body just wants to feel safe and protected. I grew up in Malden, Massachusetts and it was on a busy street, and every once in a [00:22:00] while the kids would bang on my window to play a prank.

  I was on the front, front porch, so I thought when I went to sleep I was going to get abducted every single night. So the only reason I could, I would be able to fall asleep is I'd have to put all my stuffed animals around me. I'd curl up in a ball to feel safe, then I would be able to fall asleep. So think about that.

  When you put your kids to sleep, there's subconscious need for sleep, and the reason why they wanna sleep with you is safety. And now the. The conscious brain, it's where everything screws up. It's like, oh my God, I wanna feel comfortable. You're not comfortable 'cause the body isn't comfortable. What you mistake for comfort is safety for the con subconscious brain.

  So the conscious brain screws everything up. So we have a whole host of things that we do to get people mindset mastery, to get them out of their consciousness, and we can go over some of those. So to set the try put, most people put themselves to sleep with their conscious brain thinking they're comfortable.

  We want to [00:23:00] reverse the triune, put the body in an aligned position. I, I'll show you that in a second. It's called the corrective sleeping position. This position inherently is unsafe for the subconscious brain. That is where people take an animal sleep avatar test to develop to, to identify the amount of safety that needs to be created by each avatar.

  So you have a gorilla and armadillo and an ostrich. Ostrich, it wants to stick its head under the ground. Right. It is so timid. You know, that's where abuse relationships, those are timid, timid people that need so much safety created. You know, when you sleep, it's gonna be very difficult to get them to sleep in a line position.

  Then you have the armadillos, which are like 60% of the population. They curl, they, they, they need safety, but they curl up in balls. They, they like to have their, you know, on their side with that pressure on their 

  Michelle Oravitz: That's me. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: And then I can tell 'cause your head's tilted [00:24:00] and then, and then 

  Michelle Oravitz: Oh, is it 

  Dr. Peter Martone: it is, and then when, and then the gorillas, they can, you know, they can fall asleep anywhere.

  So, so depending on what avatar you are, then we give you advice and tips based on your avatar to 

  Michelle Oravitz: husband's a gorilla 

  Dr. Peter Martone: yeah. Right. 

  Michelle Oravitz: anywhere 

  Dr. Peter Martone: Yeah. 

  Michelle Oravitz: with his mouth open. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: And then and then, and, and then, and then from there, then we teach you to, to shut down the conscious brain.

  Michelle Oravitz: Got it. That's interesting. So what's the proper position? 

  Dr. Peter Martone: All right. Is this, is this on video? 

  Michelle Oravitz: Well, it is for some people 

  Dr. Peter Martone: Okay. So then what you'll do is 

  Michelle Oravitz: you guys could check, check it out on YouTube if you wanna check this out. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: and then you explain what I'm doing. Okay. 

  Michelle Oravitz: Mm-hmm. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: Alright, so the position is typically, hold on, I gotta, I don't, I've shorted an out outline. Alright, I'll 

  Michelle Oravitz: Okay. He's moving away from his mic, so I'll have [00:25:00] to explain. I. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: Okay. All what I have right now is I have a a neck nest. That's the pillow we created, but you can do this with a soft down pillow or, and, or, you know, any type of 

  Michelle Oravitz: so he's got basically a pillow.

  that looks like it's gonna support his neck, Right? 

  Dr. Peter Martone: Yep. So the one thing with sleep is, or, or anytime you support something in the body, you weaken it. I, that's why, you know, sneakers or art supports, it weakens the foot. Back support weakens the back chair. Support weakens the back. A pillow defined as a support for your head. Anytime you support your head, you weaken the cervical curve.

  So what you wanna do is you wanna support the neck, but let let the head hang off the back of the pillow so it's not supported 

  Michelle Oravitz: So basically just have a pillow for your neck. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: And then you don't want the head supported because the weight of [00:26:00] your head will cause a, a sense of distraction. And that distraction will reinforce the curve in the neck, aligning it, improving vagal tone, improving the function of the vagus nerve.

  So just by sleeping in this position, you're gonna improve higher rate variability by 10 to 30%.

  Michelle Oravitz: Interesting. Okay, so he's basically laying on his back and he is got something that looks like a bolster, but it's soft and it surrounds his neck. He put, he has it supporting his neck and it surrounds on the side, and then his head is not supported behind it. It's just laying back. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: Yes. And that's, that's the design that we created with the Neck Nest. So I'll, this is, so I'll show you now how to do it with like a sound. It would be. It has to be a soft, soft pillow. This is what I used before we created the ness. So I, I would put pillows on their edges [00:27:00] and see a pillow is support for your head.

  You do not wanna support your head when you're sleeping on your back. You want to support your neck and allow the head to hang off the back.

  Michelle Oravitz: Okay,

  so now he's using it with a pillow, but having the pillow on its side, so it's basically not laying flat and it's a very soft pillow, so he's able to adjust it. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: of your head is unsupported. That is really, really, really important.

  Michelle Oravitz: That's interesting. I'm gonna try that. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: It's, 

  Michelle Oravitz: I'm gonna try that. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: That's awesome. 

  Michelle Oravitz: So you gotta train yourself to be a back sleeper. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: Yes. Well, you have to train yourself to fall asleep in that position. Remember, when you are trying to start to get to that type of mindset where you gotta be a back sleeper, you're not in control. All you have to train yourself to do is fall asleep in that [00:28:00] position and go take your animal avatar test, and then it'll tell you how to, how you need to create safety to start in that position because you won't be able to shut off the brain.

  Actually, you know what? Let me give you another tip. Because this is important. If you're gonna start to fall asleep in this position, a lot of times people will feel like they're falling backwards or they, they, they'll, they'll, they'll lose their breath because their body does not like that extension, because of the vestibular.

  You feel like you're, you know, you, you're, you're, you're, 

  Michelle Oravitz: you're not supported. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: Yeah. Yeah. Your, well, your body your body's brain or valid system doesn't like it. So you can use either a bed wedge or something and sleep slightly sitting up. 

  Michelle Oravitz: Mm-hmm. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: another way that I do this 

  Michelle Oravitz: So he's saying to put

  a bed wedge if that's the case. If it makes you feel uncomfortable Or not safe and supported, you can use a bed wedge. [00:29:00] And then on top of that, use that neck support that he was mentioning before. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: if you don't have a bed wedge, which a lot of people don't, you can put two pillows. See how I have two pillows down there

  Michelle Oravitz: Yeah. So instead of a bed wedge, you could put two pillows to support your back. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: and then 

  Michelle Oravitz: So that it elevates you 

  Dr. Peter Martone: And then you're sleeping elevated.

  Michelle Oravitz: got it. Yeah. So you could elevate yourself to make That, an easier way to fall asleep. Interesting.

  Dr. Peter Martone: Yeah. that 

  Michelle Oravitz: you got me curious. And that helps your vagus nerve and it helps get you in parasympathetic mode, which helps your hormones. Gets you in creative mode, which of course the physical creativity is your fertility.

  Dr. Peter Martone: And that you can't Google, 

  Michelle Oravitz: No, that's really fascinating. So how can people find this or really find out how [00:30:00] to like learn all of these amazing techniques? 

  Dr. Peter Martone: they can take they can go to Dr. S-L-E-E-P-R-I-G-H-T, that's dr. Sleep right.com. They can take a free animal sleep avatar test and then, then you're in our world, you'll get some you'll get anytime we do like sleep things, you can do that. And then there you can find out about our programs. And then if you wanna dive deeper and, and look into Neck Nest, there's you can get a link for to Neck Nest from there.

  Michelle Oravitz: That's so interesting. Dr. Peter Marone. This is really, really fascinating. I've never had anybody come on here and talk about it with also, I mean, first of all, talk about this subject, but also with such a unique approach to sleeping. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: Yeah, thank you. It's we put a lot of, a lot of sleepless nights into it and you know, now it's, it's act two, it's, my mission is to change the way the world sleeps. Helping them get way better sleep. And the way [00:31:00] is awakening the full potential of a well-rested, aligned you and the you's important.

  It's who do you need to become to have the be be the best version of you? And, and it's, it's not, I wanna have it right. I want to have better sleep. Then you're just gonna go from what to what? To what, to what to what. And it's like, who do you need to become to change your mind to be able to get there?

  Michelle Oravitz: Yeah. And so really the idea is getting into that state and the new habits will help you stay asleep. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: It's, it's, it's amazing how it, once you start to work on the drills of the 10 minute sleep ritual, which is putting yourself to sleep for the setup. Then the five core elements of what you do during the day is fun because now you're just becoming healthier and 

  Michelle Oravitz: Right. Feel more arrested, 

  Dr. Peter Martone: gonna make you a better sleeper.

  As long as you get the, if you don't plug the, the charger in you, 

  Michelle Oravitz: then you're grumpy. you don't wanna learn anything. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: exactly.[00:32:00] 

  Michelle Oravitz: We don't wanna be grumpy, 

  Dr. Peter Martone: No 

  Michelle Oravitz: we wanna feel good. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for coming on the podcast and sharing this amazing information. And so, so you gave them the email. Is there, I mean the website, is there any other place that people can find you or learn 

  Dr. Peter Martone: We're, we're on Instagram at Dr. Sleep Wright. We're on TikTok now. We just had one thing go over a million views. 

  Michelle Oravitz: Oh, cool. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: It's. Sleep. Right. So, Dr. Sleep Wright is the is the brand that you'd be able to find me on.

  Michelle Oravitz: Fantastic. Well, thank you so much Dr. Martone for coming on.

  today. This is a great conversation. 

  Dr. Peter Martone: Thank you for having me.

  Michelle Oravitz: Awesome. [00:33:00] 

Ep 333 Unlocking Fertility Through the Ancient Wisdom of Ayurveda

On today’s solo episode of The Wholesome Fertility Podcast, I’m sharing one of my greatest passions Ayurveda, and how this ancient healing system can deeply support your fertility journey. Ayurveda, which translates to “the study of life,” is a holistic approach that brings harmony to the body, mind, and spirit. In this episode, I’ll walk you through the three doshas Vata, Pitta, and Kapha, and how understanding your unique body type can empower you to make daily choices that support reproductive health and overall well-being.

You’ll learn how to identify your dominant dosha, how to nourish and balance it with specific foods, yoga practices, and self-care rituals, and why Ayurveda is such a powerful and intuitive tool for restoring balance. Whether you’re new to Ayurveda or looking to integrate it more fully into your life, this episode is filled with practical guidance to help you feel more connected, grounded, and supported on your path to fertility.

Key Takeaways: 

• Ayurveda is a holistic science that balances the body, mind, and spirit to promote fertility and overall health.

• There are three primary doshas Vata (air & ether), Pitta (fire & water), and Kapha (earth & water) each with unique physical, emotional, and energetic characteristics.

• Understanding your dosha helps you make personalized lifestyle and nutrition choices that support hormonal balance and reproductive health.

• Vata types benefit from warmth, grounding, and healthy fats; Pitta types thrive on cooling, anti-inflammatory foods; and Kapha types need stimulation, lighter foods, and movement.

• Daily practices like dry brushing, self-massage, and tailored yoga routines can deeply support nervous system regulation and fertility.

• Ayurveda provides intuitive and practical tools you can apply daily to feel more balanced, energised, and connected to your body.
  

✨ Take the Dosha Quiz here to discover your Ayurvedic body type!
 

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• Transcript

  Michelle: [00:00:00] Episode number 333 of the Wholesome Fertility Podcast. Welcome to the Wholesome Fertility Podcast. Today we're diving into the ancient wisdom of Ayurveda and how it can support your fertility journey. Ayurveda is a holistic approach that balances the body, mind, and spirit to optimize overall health as well as reproductive health.

  Today I'm gonna cover a couple of different things that you can do to implement Ayurvedic techniques into your daily life, so stay tuned.

  Welcome to the Wholesome Fertility Podcast. I'm Michelle, a fertility acupuncturist here to provide you with resources on how to create a wholesome approach to your fertility journey.

  Michelle: So the word Ayurveda actually translates to the study of life.

  Very similar to [00:01:00] Chinese medicine. It looks at the elements in nature ~~and really what helps balance and create,~~ and really what helps create balance in the body and the mind.

  and I will be sharing today how you can apply these concepts in your daily life. So stay tuned.

  So Ayurvedic medicine is how I first got started into natural medicine. It is really, really amazing and it is actually a very nurturing type of medicine. There's a lot of aspects to it, = and one of them being nutrition, the other being herbals. Then also there's a lot of body work and also yoga is considered to be part of Ayurvedic medicine is the physical therapy aspect.

  So there's a lot of massage type therapies. There's also a lot of enemas that people can do with herbal enemas. and cleaning the nose. There's many, many different aspects of Ayurveda and it truly is a science unto itself. Most of my episodes in the past have been really [00:02:00] geared to Chinese medicine, and although they are cousins and there's a lot of shared details on how they work, it is kind of unique and I will say it actually is a little bit more applicable to your daily life than even traditional Chinese medicine, which.

  Many times you have to go in for the acupuncture. You cannot do that for yourself. You could do acupressure. With Ayurveda, they use marma points, so it's kind of very similar. So it's also points, and there are a lot of parallels. So the yoga in Ayurvedic medicine, it could be looked at as the Q go in Chinese medicine.

  So truly with Ayurveda at the core, just like in Chinese medicine, we look at the yin and the yang. And with Ayurvedic medicine we look at the doshas, which are three body types, People could either be one of the body types or they could be two or three altogether.

  So very few times [00:03:00] people are all equally three, which is called trid Doic. Most of the time they're actually two body types together. Very rarely they are just one.

  Ultimately what a person's body type is, is basically containing of elements. So every body type has specific type of elements, and I'm gonna cover all of that.

  And how you balance that is you start to eat, incorporate foods or habits or daily routines. That will balance and support that. And in some cases, when you're working with a practitioner, they'll also share and suggest herbs. But that is something that I recommend working with a practitioner on because even though herbs are natural, they are medicine.

  So it's important to work with somebody who's really familiar with it.

  So, like I mentioned before, with Ayurvedic medicine, there are many different ways to balance [00:04:00] the doshas, and today I'm gonna cover all the different doshas. And also if you would like, I have linked a quiz in the episode notes.

  ~~That will take you to a quiz and that quiz will help you figure out what type of body type you are. ~~And that quiz will help you figure out what dosha type you are. So the first dosha type that I'm gonna talk about is called the Vata Dosha. ~~And the Vata dosha is, ~~and the Vata dosha has two elements, and that is air and ether.

  And the more you hear about this, it might be kind of strange to hear about different elements, but the more you hear about it, it's gonna start feeling very intuitive and it's gonna start making sense. Vata body types are tend to be more thin and they don't really have as much muscle definition unless they're coupled with Pitta, which I'm gonna go over soon.

  They're the type of people that tend to be super, super thin and it's very hard for them to gain weight, They also tend to feel a little more anxious, I guess, less grounded because they don't have a lot of [00:05:00] earth and they're all air and ether. So if you, now, this is where the intuitive part comes in, is when people have too much air and ether.

  There's sort of, I guess that kind of. Saying they're up in the sky or they're a little more creative and they have a higher imagination 'cause they don't really have earth holding them down. So they do tend to be a little more free spirited, but they also tend to be very anxious.

  They also tend to experience more irregularities. And this is, could be irregularities with her menstrual cycle. It could also be irregularities with her diet and. Their ability to digest, so sometimes they're constipated. Most of the time they'll be constipated and they don't have regular bowel movements.

  They could also be regular with their sleep. Their sleep is a little bit more shallow, and so they'll tend to wake up easily and startle easily.

  ~~Vata Dosha, since they're air and ether, they tend to be a little more dry as well. So they will tend to have really dry skin. They'll tend to have very frizzy hair, or at least really dry hair, and they'll tend to be a little more frail. Their energy will spike, but then they get really exhausted. So they don't have as much of that regularity as far as energy as well.~~

  ~~The next body type is called a Pitta dosha body type Dosha, same thing.~~

  ~~a Pitta Doha has fire and water as its elements. Pitta tends to be a little more fiery. And, um, going back to do, let me go back, I'm gonna go back to Vata, Vata, ~~Vata body types or doshas also tend to be more cold. the ether and air, again, they don't [00:06:00] have as much fire, so they tend to be a little more cold in their nature.

  So you'll see a lot of times there'll be kind of a thin look and they'll always have themselves covered.

  So a Pitta Dosha, which is a Pitta body type, is going to have the elements of fire and water. So Pitta body types tend to be a little bit more hot, they'll be a lot more resistant to hot weather and really resistant to hot and humid weather. They tend to have more oily skin.

  They tend to break out a little bit more. They also tend to feel emotions of irritability, whereas Vatas a little more anxious. Uh, PTA types will have more feelings of anger or irritability, and they are a little more explosive. They're super sharp mentally and they're really able to express themselves easily.

  They're type A personalities, really getting things done, very [00:07:00] executive, and they also tend to have a really good muscle build.

  They'll tend to have a little bit more hormonal imbalances when they're imbalanced. and the liver plays a significant role, so the liver also holds onto anger, so they'll tend to kind of have more liver imbalances when it comes to Chinese medicine.

  Pitta since they have so much fire, they do tend to be very passionate people, and you'll see that coming out when they're working. They really, really feel a lot of strong emotions.

  And then the kafa. Dosha is earth and water. So kafa tend to be a little more slow moving. They tend to be a little bit more introverted. They like to sleep and they like, and they feel like they need a lot of sleep in order to get their energy.

  They tend to have a little bit more of a slow metabolism and they will tend to gain a little more weight and it would be harder for them to really take it out and that it'll be harder for them to lose weight. They tend to be a little more [00:08:00] thick boned and kind of bigger. Their hair tends to be a lot more thick and really robust.

  They might have like thick eyebrows and big eyes.

  They could tend to have more slow circulation, excess mucus, or things like PCOS. They might be a little bit more on the insulin resistant side. Chinese medicine, because they don't have a lot of fire, they could be more of the yang deficiency.

  but they do have a tendency to be more stable individuals, so they are really great with relationships and loyalty. They're a little bit more stable, more relaxed, more at ease.

  So based on the body types I just mentioned, food also has elements. So this is where Ayurvedic medicine becomes beautiful and like a symphony. So you basically take the tones that are missing in a person or the elements that are missing in a person, in a person's body type, and you will [00:09:00] prescribe as an Ayurvedic practitioner the different things that they should have, whether it's herbs or food or diet.

  And diet is much easier, obviously, to implement for people figuring out what they need and then becoming more aware of those. So that is why sometimes even reading books on this and really understanding what your body type is can give you a lot of insight on what foods to choose. So since food has elements as well, what we do as practitioners is we tend to find foods that will balance out.

  For example, for Vata body types, since they are air and ether, they will do really well with foods that are a little more warming and that have more earth. So root vegetables would be amazing for Vata body types because they'll bring the energy of Earth and they're a lot more grounding, which is something that batta body types flourish in do really well when they have.

  So consider warm foods, things that are warming [00:10:00] in nature, but also like orange soap and carrots, um, root vegetables, dms, sweet potatoes, things that are growing from the earth and even beets. Those kind of things would be great, but they also need cooked foods because they have so much cold that that can be, you don't want too much raw, because raw tends to have, just like we say in Chinese medicine, raw foods tend to have a cold nature, So it's really important to have more warm cooked foods for Vata body types. They also tend to have more digestive problems, so warm cooked foods is the best to nourish their digestive systems.

  You also wanna consider since they're so dry, to add oils, healthy fats, so think coconuts, avocados, Coconut oil, olive oil, macadamia nuts. All kinds of nuts as long as you're not allergic as also

  Warming herbs such as ginger and [00:11:00] cinnamon.

  And they can also do well with a little bit more sweet and a little more fruits because they tend to be so thin they need that extra nourishment. So things like honey, and they could do really well with bananas or dates. Those are really beneficial foods for Vata.

  So when it comes to Picto Doha, since they have a lot of fire and water, but they're mostly fire, they do not do well with spicy foods. Spicy food can cause them more inflammation in the body, and they do tend to break out in their skin. so spicy food will just irritate that excess fire.

  What's interesting is that pita body types tend to love spicy food, and that is one of the most difficult things to get them off of. They do really well with very cooling foods like cilantro, parsley, cucumbers, and watermelon.

  Other fruits like melons and pears are really good as well. And just think green and blue [00:12:00] foods because they are more cooling in nature. So things except for jalapenos. So consider things like dark leafy greens and broccoli cilantro. Mint as well.

  They would do really well with things like ghee and coconut milk, but not too too much oil because they do tend to have more of that oily nature, which is one of the things that leads to the acne.

  They also do really well with bitter and astringent foods. So dandelion leafs, mung beans are really good. They detoxify the liver and they support their liver as well, and food that is sour in nature as well.

  So the Kafa dosha, just similar to Vata, but very different in the fact that they both don't have a lot of fire. So the Kafa, Vata. So the kafa dosha will tend to do really well with foods that are warming. So [00:13:00] things like soups and stews, but not as much on the earth, so not as many root vegetables. So avoiding potatoes, having more lighter vegetables that have more ether air, such as leafy greens.

  And vegetables. so think even asparagus, spinach, broccoli. Those are really beneficial. But having them cooked and not raw. And then you wanna do lean proteins, chicken, and this is actually for all of them. Lean proteins a bit specifically lean for Kapha. 'cause they tend to have so much earth.

  And then lentils and mung beans would be really beneficial. And then also warming teas, cinnamon cloves, ginger, things that bring in a little more fire will be really good for their digestion. And they are the body type that could. Technically do better with having their breakfast a little later. Whereas most body types we always suggest to do early [00:14:00] breakfast with kafa.

  They can actually afford because their digested, because their digestion is so slow and their metabolism is so slow, they could afford a little more exercise and a little, and they can handle not eating right away when they wake up.

  So some of the implementations that I learned about and suggested for a lot of my patients is to do an AGA massage. So this is actually self anointing, something that you can do and you can use essential oils, and this is a whole other thing which I teach about, but using essential oils could be very similar to what people do with, What Ayurvedic practitioners do with herbs. So certain essential oils are also very therapeutic and you can use cooling ones for Pitta or heating ones for and grounding ones for Vata, and then heating ones and ones that kind of like are a little more light in the tone for Kapha. And many times I would [00:15:00] blend specific ones, put it in a certain oil, and then use that for the.

  Bianca, which is the self anointing or the self massage. And this is something that I often suggest you don't need necessarily if if you don't know as much about the essential oils, then you could just use any moisturizer really. But it's really about activating the body and you can start out before getting in the shower by using a dry brush, which moves the lymph.

  It brings a lot of vitality to the body and this is Tri Doic. So in some cases implementations can help all the doshas, and this is when it's called Tri Dosha, basically helps everybody. So you could use the dry brushing.

  It is a brush that you buy and it is something that you use before you get in the shower on dry skin, and it moves the lymph and it creates a lot of great circulation in the body. And then after the shower, you can use oils to massage your body. General rule [00:16:00] of thumb is to massage from the outside, so like the most distal feet and hands towards the heart.

  So if you're doing it from the feet, you bring it up towards the groin and then you bring this up to the armpits and then you massage your belly and clockwise form and that will get more. And then you can do your lower back. And pretty much anywhere your hands can reach. And this could be a very grounding practice that really supports your nervous system.

  Another thing is yoga and meditation. So for a Vata type, they will tend to do better with things like yin yoga, which is a lot more calming or restorative yoga, which really calms their nervous system and helps them with that tendency to have more anxiety.

  And Pitta types will tend to need more of that power yoga or something that gives them a little challenge, and they'll tend to like that as well. But they could also benefit with something that calms them down as well, just to kind of ease them [00:17:00] after releasing energy through exercise.

  And Kapha will tend to do better with a higher intensity workout. That will definitely stimulate them a little bit more. So even things like hot yoga might tend to benefit a Kapha body type more than a ~~can. A Vata, a~~ Vata body type.

  So if you'd like to find out what your dosha body type is, definitely check out the link that I have

  for the Ayurvedic dosha body type quiz.

  Ayurveda is really an amazing, amazing science, and I absolutely love it. It's something that you can really apply to anything in your life once you know a little more about it. And it's great once you know your body type, because it also explains to you how you feel mentally, and that is really a big part of it.

  So you'll understand why you tend to be a little more anxious, whereas maybe your husband is a little bit more. Stable, relaxed and [00:18:00] doesn't get too moved by too much. So it depends on the body type. And then so it explains really how we are wired and what we could do to counteract and balance that. So I hope you enjoyed this episode and thank you so much for tuning in.

Ep 332 Why Symptoms Are Your Body’s Messages with Katie Beecher

On today’s episode of The Wholesome Fertility Podcast, I am joined once again by Katie Beecher @katiebeecher_medical_intuitive, a licensed professional counselor and medical and emotional intuitive. With over 35 years of experience, Katie has a unique ability to create detailed physical, emotional, and spiritual reports and even symbolic paintings using just a person’s name and age.

In this powerful conversation, we dive into how fertility challenges are deeply tied to the body’s messages, unresolved trauma, and even spiritual guidance. Katie shares insight into Ehlers-Danlos Syndrome as a hidden factor in infertility, the emotional layers of miscarriage and loss, and the importance of connecting with spirit babies. We also explore how symptoms are not something to fear—but invitations to tune in and heal.

Whether you're on a fertility journey or simply seeking a deeper connection to your body and intuition, this episode is filled with wisdom and compassion.

Guest Bio:

Katie Beecher @katiebeecher_medical_intuitive, is a licensed professional counselor and renowned medical and emotional intuitive with over 35 years of experience. Known for her unique ability to create detailed wellness reports and symbolic paintings using just a person’s name and age, Katie has been featured in over 200 media outlets including Goop, Poosh, and Kora Organics. She is also the author of Heal from Within: An Intuitive Guide to Wellness, a practical guide that teaches readers how to access their own intuition, cultivate self-love, and heal holistically. Katie’s work is deeply informed by her personal healing journey from bulimia, Lyme disease, and depression—an experience that began when she courageously sought help as a teenager and has since inspired her life’s mission.


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Get her book: Heal From Within: A Guide to Intuitive Wellness
Read here blog: The Common, Frequently Overlooked Disorder That May Connect All of Your Mystery Symptoms

 

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• Transcript

  # TWF: Katie Beecher (audio)

  [00:00:00] Episode number 3 32 of the Wholesome Fertility Podcast. My guest today is Katie Beecher. Katie is a licensed professional counselor and medical and emotional intuitive. With over 35 years of experience, Katie is featured in over 200 media outlets including Goop, Courtney Kardashian's website and Miranda Kerr's Gora Organics blog and has taught a week long workshop.

  At the Omega Institute, she has a unique way of working with clients, creating a detailed, individualized, physical, emotional, and spiritual report and symbolic painting before ever seeing them, talking with them, or seeing a photograph using only their name and age. Katie's first book. Heal from within. An intuitive guide to wellness uses practical tools and techniques Katie uses in her own medical and spiritual intuitive readings.

  The book teaches you to be your own medical intuitive, using [00:01:00] Katie's revolutionary step-by-step process for connecting to intuition and spirit, finding self-love and empowerment as well as to heal physically, emotionally, and spiritually. Heal from within is filled with remarkable stories of healing from her years of experience, as well as her own healing from bulimia, Lyme disease and emotional illness at the age of 16, without telling anyone, including her parents, Katie contacted her pediatrician and began therapy for a severe eating disorder and suicidal depression.

  She has been healed for over 35 years.

  Welcome to the Wholesome Fertility Podcast. I'm Michelle, a fertility acupuncturist here to provide you with resources on how to create a wholesome approach to your fertility [00:02:00] journey.

  Michelle Oravitz: Welcome back to the podcast, Katie. I'm so happy to have you back.

  Katie Beecher: This is a really great topic and I work with it a lot, so it's nice to, uh, podcast.

  Michelle Oravitz: So good. So I remember our first podcast episode. We talked about how about your gift really, and how you also incorporate art, which I thought was so cool.

  Katie Beecher: Yes.

  Michelle Oravitz: and so now since then you've started to see a lot of people. With fertility, like specifically

  fertility people are coming to you like about loss miscarriage and also spirit babies, like future babies and babies who have, yeah.

  Katie Beecher: I mean, I've, I always worked with a little bit but yeah, lately, like the past six months or so, I've really been getting a lot of fertility people. And, and I really, really, my heart goes out to them.

  Michelle Oravitz: Yeah, for sure. And I feel like it's kind of like you're being called, you're being summoned.

  Katie Beecher: Yes.

  Michelle Oravitz: it's like a need, it's like a need in that world to really [00:03:00] become a messenger in that space. I wanted to get your thoughts, like, why do you feel like we're living at this time right now?

  Like this time it seems to be more needed than ever. Like the, the fertility space, like there a lot more people are experiencing that. There's a lot more of that happening now, and I wanted to get, get your take on it.

  Katie Beecher: Yeah, I mean, I think some of it gets down to just lifestyle changes and people having children getting married later, having children later, you know, decide to do that. And that's kind of. Age isn't necessarily a fertility block as we know, but it definitely can complicate things, you know? So I think that's a piece of it.

  I don't know if there's more stress than in the past. It feels like it,

  Michelle Oravitz: Yeah

  Katie Beecher: for sure. So, and we all know that stress plays a big part in it with the cortisol and the, you know, effects on the immune system and, and all those kind of things. So I think that's also it. And [00:04:00] I feel like people have more of a need to communicate with spirit in terms of their own personal relationship with their intuition.

  Their body and a lot of people for various reasons are kind of out of body and,

  Michelle Oravitz: Right. It's true.

  Katie Beecher: it's really hard to know what your body needs for fertility or anything else if you are not in it or if you feel like it's your enemy or you can't listen to the signals it gives you in terms of self care, for example.

  You know, so.

  Michelle Oravitz: Yeah, I agree. I also like noticed, I remember I read your book and it's, I feel like with you, it's what's cool. What I really like is that. You not only are connected to spirit, which I think that most people who don't really understand it think it's kind of like somewhere up in the clouds or it's not like real, or I not, it's hard to like kind of, look at because it's not something that could be looked at. It's something that's more experienced. But what I find that's interesting about you is that you [00:05:00] really pull it into the body

  Katie Beecher: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

  Michelle Oravitz: you kind of like the intelligence in your body. It's almost like the, the messages that your body's giving to you. And that could be considered Yeah. Like intuitive, but that's actually like something we all have.

  Katie Beecher: Yeah, no, it's true. I try to, you know, make it not woo woo because it's really not, and we all have medical intuition. We use it all the time. Like, you know, if you get a stomach ache, it's, you immediately start thinking. and problem solving. Like, was it something I just ate? Do I need to have crackers?

  Do I need to get some seltzer? Do I, you know, have to, aol, do I need to lay down? Do I need to go to the hospital? So whether it's you or your kids, right? Because we're, we do it for our family members also. so I think it's something that naturally happens. My abilities take it to the, you know, nth degree, which is different, but it doesn't mean that people don't have medical intuitive abilities who don't do what I do.

  Michelle Oravitz: 100%. I think so too. It's, [00:06:00] not I think it's something that we've all been given because we need to have it. We need to know what's going on with our body and we can have it too. It's not something, and I think that sometimes we also give the power away. I.

  To other people to dictate kind of what we should do with our own bodies, and we also overlook our own intuition on what our bodies are telling us because we don't trust that.

  I mean, it really kind of goes on and on.

  Katie Beecher: It, it really does. And I think people, if you have trauma or illness or something, the thought is that these, these feelings in your body, are scary or that there are enemies or we have to fix them and obsess about them. And a, I think a more practical way of looking at it is what is my body telling me?

  What is my intuition telling me? You know, if my chest is tight, that may be my intuition yelling at me that I need to do something different or whatever. Even like anxiety [00:07:00] is so big and I look at anxiety as number one. It's very natural. It's a survival mechanism, right? We've always had it. We've always needed it.

  And it's letting, it's letting you know that something isn't right. So it may be danger or it may be that you're letting people take advantage of you, or not setting boundaries, or that you're not doing self-care or you're doing something against yourself, or it just means something's wrong that we need to take a look at.

  And the more you push it down, the stronger it gets. So then it becomes this big thing in and of itself, you know?

  Michelle Oravitz: But it's actually just trying to guide you. It's kind of trying to get your attention and that's why I always say like symptoms, it's so funny 'cause we get really annoyed with symptoms. But symptoms are our best friends. They're the best things that we could have. It's such a, a, genius design of our bodies

  is to let us know what's going on

  and to guide us.

  It's when we fight with the symptoms, they grow bigger and bigger and then they become like really hard to manage.

  Katie Beecher: And then what happens [00:08:00] is the more we ignore, the worse they get and the more that they need to interfere with our help, our happiness, and our help, and, and it's not even necessarily our faults because. We have a culture of just, you know, grin and bear it, kind of get through it, you know, just don't even, you know, and, and there's something to be said for that as well, but like, you can't ignore what your body is telling you.

  And then also expect to be healthy and happy because you, you're either here or you're out here.

  And if you're out here. It's impossible to be present. Most of us live in between, like I, I live out there too, so, but I be here, you know, in order to function and and help people too.

  Michelle Oravitz: Yeah. And then so talk to me about some of the cases that you've seen of late. You know, 'cause you've been talking to more people. I know we were talking before [00:09:00] about a lot of loss, and I think that that's a really important topic because it's so confusing, it's heartbreaking. It's just really hard for people, especially because not a lot of attention goes on that type of loss.

  Like pregnancy loss. It's not given a ceremony. It's not unless the couple decides to do it. So I think that, and then the community, sometimes couples go through it alone, so I think that it's a very unique type of loss in that way. It could be really, really difficult because of that.

  Katie Beecher: like I said, I really feel for people and a lot of it is, things that some, if you haven't been through it, like a miscarriage or, or whatever, or a fertility journey. Right. If you haven't been through that, just like if you haven't been through anything, it can be hard to understand what a person's going through.

  But I was working with somebody recently and she been trying to get pregnant for. I guess like five years now. And she's in her forties. And she's gotten pregnant through [00:10:00] various means, but they were all chemical pregnancies, so they only lasted about a week or so. And then even with the egg retrieval all of her embryos have seemed to have some abnormality, so.

  There's nothing that she can do, you know, in terms of, of fixing that. And then the, the question is like, does that mean that every time I try to get pregnant, there's gonna be something wrong with the baby? And is there something wrong with me and is there something wrong with my body? And just like, and this person, I really feel for her 'cause she's doing it alone.

  She doesn't have a partner, you know, and so there's not even anybody to help. Kind of support you and pick up that slack, you know? And that, that loss just then turns, I think, to sheer terror of, ah, and then

  Michelle Oravitz: right. Every single time you have to go through it, you're, you're not gonna be able to feel safe.

  Katie Beecher: and there's A-P-T-S-D [00:11:00] component to it of, do I get my hopes up? What if I get hurt again? What if I, and, and all of those feelings of grief and loss and everything come back every time you even think about doing it again. You know,

  Michelle Oravitz: Right.

  Katie Beecher: and I just, like you said, it's not, and I think things like your show and other things have helped people be able to talk about it more.

  You know, but it is a foreign concept to a lot of people.

  Michelle Oravitz: For sure. And so what do you see, do you see like a spiritual component to it? Is there some message or something that they need to like address that

  they feel um, at least to get through it, you know, to get them stronger? Mm-hmm.

  Katie Beecher: so it's, I I pick up a really mixed bag of things. It's not uncommon for me to pick up. Physical or emotional issues that need to be addressed before a healthy pregnancy can take place. And so, things [00:12:00] like Lyme, because Lyme can get passed on, you know, to your kids. And if you have that, there's a lot of reasons why you need to heal as much as possible, you know, before you can have healthy pregnancy.

  What I pick up on a lot is something called ER Danlos syndrome. Have you heard of that before?

  Michelle Oravitz: No.

  Katie Beecher: So Ler Danlos, the, one of the most prominent symptoms of it is hypermobility. So being ultra flexible, but even that can, can be different in every person. But it's a connective tissue disorder and it's collagen and elastin that are always inflamed in your body.

  So you have this ongoing inflammation, but EDS impacts virtually every area of the body.

  Michelle Oravitz: Wow.

  Katie Beecher: It's really, really crazy. I have it, my daughter have it has it also. So I feel like a Guinea pig, you know, having, and then I can help a lot more other people, which is. Is good. And then I end up helping a lot of families 'cause it's genetic.

  So people are like, oh, I didn't know I had it. That [00:13:00] sounds like my mom, but that sounds like my sister. Or, you know. But the thing about it is that because your organs can be lax because there's inflammation, because all sorts of things and it screws up your hormones. It a million things that can be a real, a hidden cause of infertility.

  Michelle Oravitz: Wow, that's crazy. 'cause I've never heard about.

  Katie Beecher: Yeah, it's not uncommon. It used to be considered a rare disease and there's 13 different types, so all except the most common type are pretty rare. But the most common type is not rare at all. I pick it up all the time and it's been getting more media attention, which is good. Because doctors are really bad at diagnosing it.

  'cause there's all these symptoms and so when you go to a doctor, usually all insurance allows them to pay for, is that one symptom? Like, which is crazy because you need to look at the whole body

  to

  Michelle Oravitz: Wow, that's so crazy. And what could

  you do about it?

  Katie Beecher: So, you can't [00:14:00] cure it, but there's a lot you can do. And so a lot of it is like testing for histamine sensitivities, for example, histamines come into it.

  They do all sorts of different, you know, testing for autoimmune things and just that kind of thing is, is valuable. But what was the most helpful to me in my treatment was getting to work with physical therapists who were specialists in EDS.

  And I was able to see like which parts of my body were really stiff.

  'cause you can be stiff, not just

  flexible, right? It all, it moves around your body all the time. 'cause your tendon ligaments are going like this. And so what was tight? What was loose? What was weak? Was strong. Different sides of the body are different. It ex like it can show if you have a, a loose area, other areas get tight to overcompensate for it.

  So, I've been able to like do things like before I do my pole dancing and aerial arts and stuff like [00:15:00] that. There's certain exercises and things that I need to do in order to not injure myself again. And even things like, it makes you more susceptible to bone density issues, right? Because it does, it can't, you can't hold up your muscles and bones with loose ligaments.

  So there's a lot of things. And in terms of pregnancy, right? People with EDS are more prone to things like placenta previa and all sorts of different complications, even like miscarriages and stuff. Implantation issues, just all kinds of things. Endometriosis, so many things. But during pregnancy, as you probably know, our ligaments and our hips loosen up anyway, right.

  So if the doctor knows that you have EDS, there's things that they can do, exercises they can give you, things that they can do to, you know, watch for. And also like maybe if things are really loose, you might need a a cesarean, you know, before another person would, or [00:16:00] even like. Anesthesia, for example.

  People with EDS, sometimes anesthesia works, sometimes it doesn't work, sometimes it works too much. So it's, you know, those kind of things that you can kind of prepare for knowing what conditions people

  Michelle Oravitz: Could it impact like an incompetent cervix?

  That's, uh, so that's another one. You'd get a cerclage to keep it closed.

  Katie Beecher: Exactly, exactly. Yeah. It affects the whole body, 'cause connected tissues everywhere,

  including the brain.

  Michelle Oravitz: crazy.

  Katie Beecher: It is, it's really, and it's, it's so gratifying to work with people with it who have been told they have everything else, like fibromyalgia. Don't even get me started on that diagnosis. But, you know, that's what comes back a lot because

  they don't know right, what the root causes are.

  And even like, like pots you know, like I said, histamine sensitivities, like there's so many side. Side things that are basically created when we have inflammation and when

  our organs aren't doing what they

  Michelle Oravitz: It can impact your gut. I mean, it [00:17:00] impacts so much.

  Katie Beecher: huge. Yeah. And the earlier you get diagnosed, the better. And my daughter and I have this running joke.

  Oh, it's EDS, you know, but I wasn't diagnosed until my fifties and she got diagnosed when she was 25. so

  Michelle Oravitz: so crazy. Wow. That's actually eyeopening. 'cause it's not something that I've heard. I, because I, I see patients all the time. They're always giving me their doctor's diagnosis. I would've remembered it 'cause it's a very unusual

  Katie Beecher: Right, and there's a spectrum, so it, there's hypermobility and then like everything else, it's a spectrum. So even if you don't have full blown EDS,

  Michelle Oravitz: Yeah.

  Katie Beecher: person, it, it can still affect you.

  Michelle Oravitz: Are there any functional medicine approaches that can help it inflammation?

  Katie Beecher: like definitely, you know, supplements that help with inflammation

  and, you know, natural stuff. There's a a

  Michelle Oravitz: Or even collagen, taking collagen or like bone broth. I don't

  Katie Beecher: yes.

  Michelle Oravitz: are the things that I think off, off

  Katie Beecher: [00:18:00] Yeah. It's kind of a mixed bag because part of it is that we don't process collagen.

  Michelle Oravitz: Oh, I

  Katie Beecher: Right way. However,

  I find taking collagen very helpful.

  Michelle Oravitz: Okay, got It It could be also, like certain people might benefit, certain people might not. It's kind of like a, it's not a one size fits all, even if you have it.

  Katie Beecher: exactly. And like I use dma. Which is kind of a weird little thing, but I use it for hair growth, but it also is silica, so it helps your bones and, and you know, and then um, there's a supplement I like called Liga plex too, which also helps with adrenals 'cause it messes with your adrenals, messes with your nervous system, the whole whole thing.

  A lot of people with it are neuro neurodivergent links, eating disorders. It's, it's really, wow.

  really, because you don't have a. Sense of your body. So your your proprioception is off and your body image is off, and

  Michelle Oravitz: That's interesting. It's so crazy to me [00:19:00] because um, you know, so many people go through these things and they think it's their fault.

  They don't realize that there is another explanation kind of lurking underneath that is causing them to feel the way they're feeling and they feel the shame and kind of guilt for getting to the place that they're getting to, but they just don't realize why.

  Mm-hmm.

  Katie Beecher: My daughter actually just from me being me, you know, and then the, she has the same and different symptoms, even though we have the same subtype of EDS, but she actually went to her doctor and. Told the doctor all about this stuff and the doctor's like, well, that's too rare. That doesn't, you know, it really even barely ever happens.

  And you know, the, just gave her medical gaslighting. And thankfully I have two stubborn adult children who, you know, she went to somebody else who had more of a background in it. She got officially diagnosed, she went back to that doctor,

  Michelle Oravitz: Yeah. Good for her because sometimes that's so frustrating. Yeah. Yeah.

  Katie Beecher: She was like, uh, this is what I have, and you told me I didn't.

  And like, you really need to know [00:20:00] more so you can help other people. And the

  Michelle Oravitz: Right. Yeah, it's good. It's good. I like it when that happens. 'cause it's not, not to sort of, it's more to, to educate them like I to come back. 'cause patients educate me all the time. Like I think that as doctors, you need to let your patients educate you because that's how you learn, that's why it's called a practice. You have to connect and really listen to your patients if you really wanna become a good practitioner. In general. Yeah,

  Katie Beecher: Yeah. And I think the best practitioners have medical intuitive abilities.

  Michelle Oravitz: true. And I'll be honest, it's interesting because like, I definitely have always been sensitive. I do think that I'm intuitive. I don't like, uh, it's not something that I kind of go forward with, but it's true. Like people that work with me know that, but. I will never override another person's intuition.

  So if somebody tells me they don't feel right about a supplement, even if the textbook tells me that is the perfect supplement for them, I [00:21:00] will say, listen to your body. That's always, just listen to your body, you know best. And I think that, I think that that is just kind of like a do no harm. You have to really respect the person's inner intelligence that they only connect with.

  Katie Beecher: Yeah, and teach people how to trust it, like as accurate as my guides are, and it's really amazing. I tell people I don't want. You to trust my intuition over yours. Like I want you to consider what I'm saying, but it doesn't mean that like I wanna teach you how to develop your intuition. I wanna

  teach you how to talk to your spirit

  Michelle Oravitz: Well, that's your book. Your book talked a lot about that.

  It was like empowering your own in innate intuition.

  Katie Beecher: Exactly. And we do need other people. We do. You know, 'cause we have blinders and we have fears and all kinds of stuff that can get in the way in our own agendas and you know.

  Michelle Oravitz: Yeah.

  Katie Beecher: But I think when you talk to people and they think about times when they're in, when they trusted their intuition, they can be like, like miraculous things [00:22:00] happened.

  Michelle Oravitz: It's true. It really is true, and sometimes it's interesting. Sometimes in order to trust your intuition, you're actually. Given a very difficult choice to make. You have to like do something that is hard to do or like go against people's opinions or go against what your initial expectation was, but then it becomes so worth it, it it, you start to realize there's a reason for that.

  Katie Beecher: Yeah, I totally agree. And it's, if I hadn't gone through some of all of the stuff that I've gone through, I wouldn't have learned how to, you know, develop and trust my intuition and my weird abilities. And it was really through that diversity and. I like to tell people that other people's pain or your own pain might be the greatest gift you've received.

  It doesn't make it any easier, but you know, if you can respond to it and figure out what you need to do to take care of yourself and maybe learn to trust spirit instead of feeling [00:23:00] alone all the time, like. There's so many benefits to it that yeah, even though it's not an exact science and you don't always

  trust it, you

  Michelle Oravitz: Yeah, everything's so unique. I think that that's like on earth, like every person is so unique. Every path is so unique. Even if you have like this, a similar type of path,

  it's still unique. You were just talking about uh, EDS and how it's unique with every person that has it. And the same thing with fertility.

  So like people going through that, you know, going through those challenges, it's like any kind of challenge in life really. You know, where something is there. To guide you. I've seen it. I've talked to enough people. I've been doing this in, you know, the podcast since 2018. I've talked to enough people to hear stories and how their end, like the end point.

  They always look back and they're like, I wouldn't have changed it. But when they're in it, they're like, I don't want this. But then afterwards they're like, oh, wow. Now I see. It's like hindsight shows [00:24:00] you the reason.

  Katie Beecher: A lot of the time too, I find that people have, who are having fertility issues, they have really difficult people in their lives or they hate their job or something like that. So it requires setting boundaries. Especially if you know, you and your partner don't agree on some really important parenting issues or values or what I see a lot too is people who are concerned about their parents or in-laws.

  And how they're going to be with their children. And so it can be an amazing opportunity to stand up to them and set limits with stuff. Maybe you would've taken from your own parents or an in-law for yourself and you're like, no way you're treating my kids like that. Or saying that around my kids are doing, you know?

  I got a lot ballsier for sure when I had kids and I.

  Michelle Oravitz: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You, and then that's really, I think that that's one of the things, [00:25:00] like, I feel like fertility challenges set you up for parenting because you, you start, you start with advocating for yourself, and eventually you're gonna have to make very difficult decisions

  with kids and advocating for them, even in the medical com, you know, system.

  I, I've had it for many things. Doing things that, uh, is a little outside the box. I didn't want fluoride, my kids' teeth, and people look at you sideways, but now it's coming out that it's not good. And not being political, like I'm just saying in general, like in general, it's coming out that fluoride is not good for you and it lowers the IQ of kids.

  It, it is what it is. Yeah.

  Katie Beecher: I know it's, and that's, I know so many challenging things because yes, it benefits teeth, but oh my God, all the other stuff.

  Michelle Oravitz: Yeah. And there are other things that can benefit the teeth. Uh, vitamin D. Yeah. So many things. So, so it's kind of like that, like it doesn't [00:26:00] end, you know, these challenges never end. And I think that what you're saying is so important, like really setting boundaries and standing up for what you know to be right. It's really listening to your heart, your integrity, and kind of like staying in your integrity. I feel like that might be difficult at first, but it actually makes your life easier.

  Katie Beecher: Does. Yeah.

  Michelle Oravitz: It's kind of like the the trick thing that people don't realize.

  Katie Beecher: No, I, I tell people it's like training a dog, like you're setting boundaries with your dog so that they don't, you know, pee in the house or

  they,

  you

  Michelle Oravitz: be happy later.

  Katie Beecher: so, and that's, that's how you parent too, and that's how you deal with, with other people in your life.

  You know, it's not a negative. Maybe it'll make people angry at you.

  You know, maybe temporarily, maybe not, but, oh, well, Yeah. Listen, if people are angry at you, when you're not doing something to intentionally hurt them and you're just kind of speaking your truth, then that's a they problem.

  Oh, it.

  Michelle Oravitz: You know? It's like, you know, you're [00:27:00] not like trying to hurt anybody. You're just speaking your truth. Then that's, you know, you can't, you can't really control that. And I, and I say you have to stand, definitely stand your ground. I agree with you. I mean, that's definitely a big thing. Do you through spirit babies, like get messages for things that they want their future parents to know?

  Katie Beecher: It works a lot of different ways, so, encourage,

  Michelle Oravitz: Right. I think that's the theme for today. It's not a one size fits all.

  Katie Beecher: No. I get messages from children who who were not able to come through as healthy pregnancies. That's a good way to put it. Even people, and it's awful. If, if you've had an abortion and now you're trying to get pregnant, there's like can be so much guilt

  Michelle Oravitz: It could be in mind off. I know. I, I've talked to so many people

  Katie Beecher: Right. So I talk to them. I also am able to talk to babies and children who are coming to them. And it's [00:28:00] fascinating because it's, it's often biological children, but sometimes it's also children who are going to come to people through adoption or.

  Michelle Oravitz: Yes. I just got the chills 'cause it's true. Like it that it's still your child. Yeah.

  Katie Beecher: Like, I see it all the time where there's a mom or a parent, you know, parental group, whatever you wanna call them. And there's this child on the outside and they're not necessarily a baby. And that's often my signal. My guides are like, this person needs to help whoever this is. That's they're gonna connect with whoever this is.

  And it may come to them, they're not expecting, you know, but, and as we know there so many kids who. In need of good parenting and, and foster care system's awful. And, you know, and all those things. and it is very delicate to bring up,

  Michelle Oravitz: Yeah, it's true. It's true because, uh, people have their own plans.[00:29:00]

  Katie Beecher: know, and, and of course they want biological children and of course, you know, so I, I totally get that. But I am honest with people when I do my readings and I'm just like, Hey. This is coming through,

  Michelle Oravitz: I think you have to be

  'cause you're a messenger and you can't change the message

  if that's what it is. And I had Dr. Lisa Miller on who had gone through, actually it was very interesting. She had gone through her fertility, like a fertility challenges and. Went through so

  much to try to conceive and she kept getting this inner voice come to her and say, if you if you can conceive, would you adopt?

  Or something like that. Like, I don't remember the exact sentence, and would you still adopt? And she was like, no, I, I want my own baby. And then it kept coming to her. And then at one point she just happened to be, I think I was staying at a hotel or somewhere where. [00:30:00] There was a program on kids that were orphans, and one of them was inhaling some kind of chemical and said, the reason that he does that is because he doesn't feel love. Like he doesn't have anybody that loves him. And of course, you know, anybody has a heart and hears that

  their heart breaks. But for her it was like this next level of, uh, wow. Like it really shook her. And at that point it was, it. It was her and her husband, and there was a reason why the TV couldn't work and it had to be on that, and they ended up adopting in that.

  And the night before she went to adopt, I think it was outside of the country, she heard the voice again, the question come back to her, would you adopt if you can conceive naturally, would you adopt? She said, absolutely. And that month she also conceived. you know what I mean?

  And it was like those children were supposed to meet and be SI

  Katie Beecher: Yeah, exactly.

  Michelle Oravitz: was just [00:31:00] the whole thing. So crazy.

  Katie Beecher: The person um, that I recently worked with, I saw a young boy and an older girl and I said, one of them is not going to come from you. And and I'm like. There's gonna be some child you hear about, or some show is gonna come on, or some program or something you come across on the internet, and it's going to open your eyes or open your heart to the possibility of adoption.

  It doesn't mean that you're not gonna be able to have your own. Biological person too. But yeah, I literally saw them together holding hands and it's, I get a lot of images through my, you know, with my guides. But I totally felt like, you know, she's like, I really don't even wanna go there. I said, I understand and I'm not telling you what to do.

  All I'm saying is look into the possibilities even doing a donor egg, because that might take that fear. of having, you know, a child [00:32:00] that is really disabled or something like that, you know, because, and I'm not, that's not a judgment call. She told me the first time she got pregnant, she had this overwhelming fear that there was something wrong with baby.

  Michelle Oravitz: Yeah, it was like that intuition.

  Katie Beecher: Exactly. And then it didn't, it wasn't viable, you know, so it turned out she was right. I

  said, see, so your intuition's working,

  Michelle Oravitz: Right. Although I just took this for people listening, just 'cause you have a thought like that doesn't mean it's gonna happen.

  There's a difference between fears and sometimes fears can trick us, but then there's also intuition and that is real. Like it's a, it's a, it feels different.

  Katie Beecher: It's true. And, and especially, I mean, any new mom or anyone, time you, you know, you get pregnant of course. You're like, I would want this to go, well, this

  Michelle Oravitz: Yeah, you're gonna, you, and sometimes your mind goes into all kinds of places. What if it happens like this? Or that doesn't

  necessarily mean it's your intuition.

  Yeah.

  Katie Beecher: Yeah.

  There's a difference between fear and I. Yes.

  Michelle Oravitz: It's happened to me before. Yeah. No, no. 'cause I know, like my, I, I know myself. Like if I, you know, I'd be like, oh [00:33:00] my God, well if I feel that, does that mean that it's real?

  And, it feels like that. Yeah, for sure. Like when you're actually going through it. But sometimes you do have like this real strong nudge, like knowing which is different. But again, it's harder for people who don't like, do what you do to really distinguish the, Difference. How can people, actually, that's a good question.

  How can people figure out what's my intuition and what's my fear? be a perfect person to ask.

  Katie Beecher: sot book I. And it talks about all of this stuff, but I really, I'm glad that you mentioned it because people will say to me like, how do I know it's my intuition or not just a voice in my head or something I made up right? Or fear or whatever. So what I tell people is, whatever you get when you're communicating with intuition, just allow it to be there.

  Write it down. It's a written technique thing. Write it down. Just allow it to be there without judgment, without fear. And then if something does come through that's scary. Then address [00:34:00] that and just be like, okay, hello voice. You know, what is this thing that I'm really afraid of? Why am I afraid of it?

  What can I do about it? Is this an intuitive feeling or is it just a fear? You know? So that way you are not pushing it down,

  Michelle Oravitz: Mm-hmm.

  Katie Beecher: addressing it.

  Michelle Oravitz: Right. Right. That's a good point. 'cause sometimes we'll push it away.

  Katie Beecher: Right. And this way you can problem solve. Like I'm, I'm really afraid you know that there's gonna be something wrong with baby. And then, so that may prompt you to be like, okay, ask your doctor if there are tests that you can do to, you know, so

  Michelle Oravitz: you

  can be proactive. Yeah.

  Katie Beecher: You know, like in my own case, I felt like something was off.

  We had an amniocentesis and it,

  gonna get into this whole thing, but it showed like a potential, really like huge problem, like. Like still a born person. Yeah. It was really, really scary. And the doctor's, like, most of the time we don't even find this this thing with the cerebral spinal fluid, unless there's an autopsy and it [00:35:00] like, doesn't affect most people, but, but it could be worst case scenario.

  So they're like, you can do nothing or whatever. And I'm like, no, I want the amnio. I wanna know, do the genetic testing. And, and it was torture because at that time it took a month. Sales. But I was glad I did 'cause they're like, everything is normal.

  So, yeah. And you could carry that fear or you could be like, I'm gonna do something about it and find

  Michelle Oravitz: Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And that's where you're being guided

  to resolve and that's, that's what I like about how you approach this is because you approach it from a very realistic way where you're actually using action in order to, but also intuition and you're bridging the two.

  Katie Beecher: Yeah, I like to give people actionable steps. You know, and okay, yeah, all these things are happening and you can't control them and it feels awful and you don't feel like you have any power, and, but what kind of things can you do? Even if it's just not just, even if it's, you know what? I can't control what's [00:36:00] going on right now, but I need to go take a walk, or I need to go work out, or I need to go do something creative to calm down my nervous system.

  Let out the stress that is an actionable response.

  Michelle Oravitz: Yes, that is true. And your nervous system. I am obsessed with the nervous system. I talk about it a lot because it's an information, it's an information system. So basically it's an antenna like, and if it's not if it's chaotic, you're not gonna get the message. It's static.

  Katie Beecher: Exactly.

  Michelle Oravitz: You need to regulate it. And that's part of the whole reason why I think stress is, you know, is such a factor.

  We're constantly fight or flight. We need to even it out and kind of take the other, you know, the other balance of rest and digest and kind. I think that when we do that, we're able to get the messages more clearly.

  Katie Beecher: Oh my God. Yeah, absolutely. Even my, you know, my own self if I'm feeling out of it or whatever, I'm just like, you can't go into your reading list this way. You know, you can't create your report and painting and all that. So you need to go do something to [00:37:00] chill.

  Michelle Oravitz: Yeah.

  Katie Beecher: Be in a better space. So yeah, it's not just regular people, it's also people who do this for.

  Michelle Oravitz: Oh, it's every person. Every person with a nervous system. And it also puts you in a more creative, like when your nervous system is balanced, you're also more creative. You're able to be more creative. And what is fertility? It's your physical body's creativity.

  Katie Beecher: It, it is so true. And our bodies are just so tuned in to what we are thinking and feeling. A, a quickie uterus story this actually happened to me, so going through a bunch of really intense stress with husband's job and stuff like that, so life was really freaking chaotic and I had been painting every day and I'm like.

  I just lost the desire and I don't paint like black daggy things anyway, so I just was like too depressed to do anything. And ended up having really bad abdominal pain for a full year. Really bad ing abdominal pain like in, in bed. [00:38:00] Never knew when it would start and like crazy. 8 million tests of course, and no one could really find anything.

  They did take my appendix out and found a cancerous tumor on my appendix.

  Michelle Oravitz: Oh wow.

  Katie Beecher: A rare cancerous tumor. So that obviously needed to come out. Um, So that was a good thing from all this crazy. But ultimately the doctor was finally like, okay, your uterus feels weird. And so I'm like, I, I've had my children.

  Well, I'm not doing this pain anymore. Please just, you know, let's end this. So, woke up from the surgery and she said, we had to take one of your ovaries too. I'm like, okay. And she said, I've never seen this before in anyone. I'm thinking, yeah, it's me. My, my fallopian tube had wrapped around my uterus,

  Michelle Oravitz: Oh my

  God. How can they not see that in the ultrasound?

  Katie Beecher: well, it was adhered to it, and I guess the angles, it

  just

  didn't, didn't show up. But I was like, I know exactly what that is. That is me. I cut off my creativity. I cut off that [00:39:00] connection to myself, so my body responded by literally choking off. Center, which is

  Michelle Oravitz: Wow. Isn't that crazy? That is so crazy. But I see stuff like that a lot. Like, you know, a thyroid or like throat. Conditions. And the people also at the same time have a difficulty expressing themselves to the most pivotal person in their life. And you know, and sometimes just releasing that and all of a sudden tears and things come out, our bodies, you know, it's like that book.

  Uh, your body keeps the score. true.

  Katie Beecher: It, it's, and you know, Carl Young and other people like that have been talking about it for, I don't know, long, long, long time. And now just we're, we're just catching up now.

  Michelle Oravitz: Yeah, and it also gives you symbols. It'll give you like

  a reflection of metaphors.

  Katie Beecher: Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. It's, it's really fascinating and like, I like to teach people how to talk to your uterus, talk to your eggs. You know, talk to your [00:40:00] hormones, whatever's going on, and treat them as your friends. Not something that you hate or that is broken, or that you have to obsess about or even fix.

  Of course, the goal is to heal. But, and I did this with healing from my eating disorder, was, what do you need from me? Why is this happening?

  Michelle Oravitz: Mm-hmm.

  Katie Beecher: are there things I need to change in my life? What are you trying to tell me? How can I help you heal? So, treat it like a team member

  Michelle Oravitz: Yeah, I

  Katie Beecher: that is in it with you that's helping you make changes rather than feeling like it's foreign

  or you're out of your body.

  You hate your body. It feels

  like

  it's.

  Michelle Oravitz: thing. It's that, that kind of myth of the separation.

  Katie Beecher: Exactly. Exactly. So that takes so much of the anxiety out of it also. 'cause you're like, okay, I do have [00:41:00] some control over this. It's not just this, my body that's doing all these things that I don't want it to do and can't understand. Like

  Michelle Oravitz: Right. It's, it becomes more whole, like you feel more wholeness.

  With that, it becomes more complete. There's more closure too because you're allowing whatever it needs to be expressed to express itself. I remember seeing Dolores Cannon, I'll see sometimes like reels or different things and she was talking about how your cells in your body, like look at you kind of like your executive function as a God and like whatever you say, it's like, oh, that must be true. And that's really how your subconscious mind works and that's why hypnotherapy works because it's kinda those suggestions. Ultimately come from the top. Your conscious mind can make those choices

  and then repeat it, repeat it, repeat it until it gets into the subconscious mind. Your body and your cells are part of that subconscious mind.

  Katie Beecher: It's true. And even just I'll be, you know, freaked [00:42:00] out about something, whatever, before I go to poll and, I'll have a great class burn off all this energy and I'll come back and be like, what was I even thinking about? Or a totally different perspective what was bothering me before. So, so much is our mindset.

  Michelle Oravitz: Yeah, it, it really is everything. 'cause it's like how we experience our world and you could take like 10 different people with the same exact life and they'll experience it differently.

  Katie Beecher: Yeah, it's, it's so true.

  Um,

  Michelle Oravitz: have choice.

  Katie Beecher: we do, so I'd like to encourage people who are dealing with fertility difficulties to not see their body as the enemy. To be open to all sorts of possibilities. When we release some of that anxiety and stress, we're more creative, like you said. So maybe you, you think of a, a problem solving strategy that no one's brought up before, you know, or that you haven't, [00:43:00] or maybe your body will be like.

  Oh wait. I thought it was this, this, and this, but maybe I need to have my hormones checked, or maybe the testing wasn't accurate or maybe like it just frees you up

  to

  Michelle Oravitz: Yeah.

  Katie Beecher: more answers.

  Michelle Oravitz: I see it a lot of times with my patients. So what you're saying is actually very accurate, like. I think that once people, and I see it also once they do acupuncture or like dirt, certain practices, they'll start to uncover things and they'll get ideas and they're like, oh, that's interesting.

  Somebody said some, something about that. Or they'll listen to a podcast and hear like the guests and they're like, oh my God, I think that that's my route. And it just kind of, they start to align and then find answers. So

  Katie Beecher: I mean, being a control freak, which I'm guilty of you

  Michelle Oravitz: All of

  us.

  Katie Beecher: freakiness. Right. And anxiety just, it interferes more than we realize, and it's almost like people are addicted to anxiety,

  Michelle Oravitz: Oh, 100%.

  Joe [00:44:00] Depen always talks about that, and it's true, like you could, you could be addicted to stress

  and like the adrenals and the, and you could get addicted to the hormones that anxiety and stress. Give you,

  you just are so used to it that that feels normal. And that's why, you know, abusive relationships you'll tend to gravitate 'cause that feels normal.

  Katie Beecher: And also if you're stressed out and your life is chaotic, it's impossible to think about your own needs and your own goals

  Michelle Oravitz: Mm-hmm.

  Katie Beecher: your own issues. So it's a way of avoidance, like every addiction is, you know, it's a way of avoiding stuff that you need to take care of or that's painful or whatever. So it's really sad that that people sort of.

  Choose that route, when they do have choices, it's not, not making people out to be, you know, that they're, it's their fault or anything. But we do have a lot of choice in, in what we do and how we interact with people. And just setting boundaries or not is a great [00:45:00] example, you know.

  Michelle Oravitz: I agree. I mean, I think that finding, figuring that out and kind of realizing that we actually have so much more power over our lives. I think that that's like that first step of empowerment. You're like, oh, wow. So I think that absolutely, it's true. We do have choice. Yeah.

  Katie Beecher: Right. And even like now, it's a bit of a crazy time. You know, and, and I'm sure a lot of people are feeling like. I can't change a society or, or a government, no matter what side you're on, whatever, you know, but there's too much there and I have no power. And it's, even fertility is just such a huge issue, right?

  But if you start being like, what can I do to take care of myself? What can I do to control my issues or when I feel like I'm spiraling? And then. Maybe I have more power than I think in terms of like getting together with like-minded people or fighting for your issues or you know, [00:46:00] something. So I just, that powerlessness is just such an awful feeling.

  Michelle Oravitz: it is, and it it all has a place too, in

  some weird way to teach us or to bring us back

  to ourselves.

  I always kind of have the belief that all roads lead to the light. ' cause eventually, even if it's like a really tough time, it'll eventually lead you to some kind of light.

  Katie Beecher: That's very true. And also on the subject of control, I like to tell people it's not all or nothing. So it's not like you're in control mode, all obsessed. You know your agenda. And the only alternative is to totally step back and give all that up. The way that I like to describe it is spirit intuition.

  It's there as a helper

  and letting it, like I recognize myself if I'm going too hard on an agenda or forcing something, whatever, and I can just be like, okay, this isn't working. So step back, allow intuition to come into your life [00:47:00] as a protective guiding force, and it tells me when I need to take action and what I need to

  do. It gives me ideas. It helps me problem solve, so I'm not giving up any control. I'm gaining more

  by letting Spirit into my life.

  Michelle Oravitz: I love that. I think that's so important and I, I'm very spirit forward. It's like my, I, I can't do anything without my, I call them like my invisible assistants,

  and I'll tell you like when you lean on them or him, I, you know,

  whatever it is that you feel connected to. I see them as his team, you know, but, but yeah, I, whenever you lean on that intelligence, it always shows up.

  Like it almost always shows up like in incredibly miraculous ways. And I see it with my patients. I see it with my clients. Like that's the crazy thing is like the, the stories that I hear all the time. So it's real, like it's legit. And, uh, I think [00:48:00] it's so cool. So. For people listening now and they're like, okay, I wanna work with Katie. Like how, what kind of offerings do you have

  Katie Beecher: Sure. So I basically do two types of readings. One is what I call a full reading. And it comes with a four page report and an intuitive soul painting

  and.

  Michelle Oravitz: that. I think

  Katie Beecher: I know just with the name and age, I prepare the full report and the painting. I send it to them. We meet for an hour, we discuss everything I've sent and then a million things, more people can ask whatever they want and more stuff comes up.

  And then I also have an offering for just an hour without the report and painting. So it all depends on kind of what people want and what they can afford, and, you know, stuff like that. They're both effective. And I do sometimes offer a 30 minute too, although it's not on my schedule,

  but it's an option.

  So yeah, those are basically the two. And then if people even like, they have questions about what we [00:49:00] talked about, I encourage them to email me after. So it's not just like you have a question, you have to make an appointment after I.

  Michelle Oravitz: That's

  Katie Beecher: Yeah, so because we talk about so much everything, emotional, physical, spiritual, that's impacting you in a positive or negative way, we talk about it.

  So it's a lot. But yeah, it's a pretty amazing process. I also teach people how to connect to their intuition and their bodies during the visit if that's something they wanna do.

  So,

  Michelle Oravitz: And how can people find you?

  Katie Beecher: So the easiest way is my website, katie beecher.com. but

  Michelle Oravitz: Mm-hmm.

  Katie Beecher: Instagram and Facebook and, and all of the

  Michelle Oravitz: I follow your Instagram. I love her Instagram. It's so cool. And I love all the, all the things that you do. Like, uh, all the, what was it? The poll work. I think that's so cool. That's hard. That's not easy. That it, it's not as easy as it looks. I could tell you that. You, you have to use a lot of core.

  Katie Beecher: You use your whole body. It's

  really crazy. And when you have EDS, movement is [00:50:00] one of the most important things you can do. What I do is a bit extreme and I've had injuries because I've dislocated things, but still the best thing I've ever done for myself. And I really encourage movement for stress relief and

  Michelle Oravitz: Yeah. Well, good for you. It's amazing. So thank you so much, Katie. This is, uh, it's always a pleasure talking to you. I really enjoy it, you know, it's really fun and I think it's important too. It's important. I really love talking about connecting to that, like the spirit or energy, you know, I think it's so important.

  I think it's a lost art. In a way, because we've gotten so just into science now we're

  coming back. Now we're bridging it, which I like.

  Katie Beecher: Yeah. No, I agree. I.

  Michelle Oravitz: Mm-hmm.

  Katie Beecher: Because you're letting your guard down in a way,

  Michelle Oravitz: Yep.

  Katie Beecher: you know? But

  Michelle Oravitz: But that's where the power is. That's the portal. All right. Thank you [00:51:00] [00:52:00]