Episode Description
Could something in your home be quietly affecting your fertility? In this episode, Michelle sits down with Ariana Thacker, chemical engineer, venture capitalist, and founder and CEO of MoldCo, to explore one of the most overlooked pieces of the fertility conversation, mold toxicity. Ariana shares her own path from patient to founder, and breaks down what mold actually is, why it so often goes undetected, and how it can trigger widespread inflammation in the body. Together they unpack why some people are far more sensitive to mold than others, the genetic piece behind that sensitivity, and how this hidden inflammatory load can surface as brain fog, fatigue, irregular or painful periods, and even recurrent miscarriage. Ariana also walks through what testing and recovery can look like, and offers a grounding reminder that once you know what you are working with, there is a clear and increasingly accessible path forward. If you have been doing everything right and still feel stuck, this conversation may open a door you didn't know was there.
Key Takeaways
Mold is often invisible. You cannot rely on what you can see or smell, and it frequently hides in HVAC systems, crawl spaces, under flooring, and even in brand new construction.
For many people the real issue is not the mold itself but the inflammatory response it sets off, which can ripple into hormones, cycles, energy, and mood.
Genetics matter. Roughly one in four people carry a genetic susceptibility that makes it harder for the body to recognize and clear these toxins, which helps explain why one person in a home gets sick while another feels fine.
Mold-related inflammation can show up in surprising ways for fertility, including irregular, heavy, or missed periods, new food sensitivities, and markers associated with pregnancy loss.
Testing and treatment are far more affordable and accessible than they used to be, and most people improve significantly once the exposure is identified and addressed.
Guest Bio
Ariana Thacker is a chemical engineer, venture capitalist, and the founder and CEO of MoldCo, a health-tech platform addressing mold toxicity. After co-founding Conscience VC to invest in science-driven startups, Ariana launched MoldCo, inspired by her own health journey. Today, she leverages her technical expertise and investing background to pioneer data-driven, empathetic solutions for overlooked healthcare and environmental challenges.
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Website: https://www.moldco.com/
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[00:00:00] Episode number 411 of the Wholesome Fertility Podcast. Welcome to the Wholesome Fertility Podcast. I'm your host, Michelle Orbits, and today I'm joined by Arianna Thacher, a chemical engineer, venture capitalist, and founder and CEO of MoldCo, a health tech platform built around something most fertility plans never think to look at, which is mold toxicity.
Before she started MoldCo, Arianna was a patient first. She went through her own mold journey, found her way back to health, and turned that experience into a company that makes testing and treatment affordable, accessible, and grounded in real evidence. She brings the technical mind of an engineer and the compassion of someone who has actually lived it.
Here's why this conversation matters. If you feel like you've been doing everything right and still feel like something's in the way, the brain fog, irregular cycles, the fatigue, this may be a layer that no one has looked [00:01:00] at yet. Mold is often invisible. You can't always see or smell it, and it rarely shows up on standard testing.
So for women who are sensitive to it, though, it could drive inflammation that reaches hormones, the cycle, and even pregnancy. I found this conversation to be really eye-opening, and I think you will, too. The most reassuring part is how much is actually within your control once you know what you're looking for.
So let's dive in.
Welcome to the Wholesome Fertility Podcast. I'm Michelle, a fertility acupuncturist here to provide you with resources on how to create a wholesome approach to your fertility journey
Michelle: Welcome to the podcast, Ariana. I'm so happy to have you
Ariana: Thank you, Michelle. We're really excited to, to dive in
Michelle: Yes, this is such an important topic. [00:02:00] I can't state it enough 'cause I know I- I've heard so much about it, and I think it's one of these kind of like under-tested, aspects. people look into endocrine disruptors of the chemical kinds and, many different kinds, but I think a lot of people are, miss what we're gonna be talking about, which I'm really excited about.
But before we get started, I always love to start with an origin story. I'd love to hear where like your background is and what got you into the work that you're doing.
Ariana: Yeah, certainly. So, educational background was mostly focused in, engineering. So I was a chemical engineer by trade, and I've always loved the sciences ever since I was, a little girl. And I would buy, textbooks just to learn as much as possible in my free time. And it's just been an obsession and passion since.
And, prior to starting MoldCo, I was actually a, a patient,first. So went through the whole mold journey, discovered I had a mold issue actually in Miami, [00:03:00] Florida, where you're based and then got...
Michelle: why.
Ariana: Yeah. Yeah. Uh, Florida's actually one of the, the moldiest states we've come to realize, and, got back to better health, and it's the journey that really inspired building something that was affordable and accessible and also evidence-based for patients.
that's just high level. My background, just more of this like systems builder and, very interested in, reshaping healthcare with the skills I have to create something that hasn't existed before for patients.
Michelle: Y- awesome. and so let's talk about mold 'cause it's definitely something that a lot of people don't even, know about. And I know, I've had patients of my own that have gone through, years of symptoms and not realizing, not discovering that was what was causing the symptoms for years.
and of course, not all mold is created equal. there's a specific type of mold, I'm sure. I mean, we can really dive into, the details, but talk about just, what mold [00:04:00] is, where it is found, and how that impacts the body. And take your time with it, 'cause I know that was a big question.
Ariana: Absolutely. so many levels to that question. I'll, I'll start first with what you can see and smell.mold can show up in your environment in so many different ways, and some of the most common environmental signs include visible mold, which I think a lot of people know, what that looks like.
But, there can be different colors, it can be different shapes, it can cover, different volumes of space and area. that's one layer. The second layer too is an earthy, musty odor. I'll just go through different senses. And sometimes there's more, proxy or hidden signs of mold that are less obvious, like peeling paint, warped flooring, discoloration.
And some of the more common areas in the home that you may not realize mold may be hidden is in the crawl space, in the HVAC system, and even under the flooring or in the basement. there's so many different places that mold can hide For the most part, what we've w- what we've come to realize is that [00:05:00] mold is often an invisible force in the home, and you can't really know if you're being exposed or not just off of that visible cue alone, 'cause there's so many different ways that it can show up.
mold, as well as many other types of, microbial species, often show up after a water damage event. water damage can be, through a number of different means. It can be through a flooding event, a hurricane, heavy rainfall where there's different points of water intrusion on the roof or in the home, a pipe burst, appliance leaking, or it can even be pre-baked, as I call it, into the home during the building process, and that's actually something we see in new builds.
they would leave the materials outside in the rain, for example. It's not properly covered or concealed, and then, the, building materials are now in the home, and there could be microbial growth through that. So, that just, addressed a common misconception that we hear, one, that if I don't see mold, there's not a mold issue, not true, and oh, I'm in a new build, there certainly can't be a mold issue, also not true.
And I also wanna highlight [00:06:00] it, it's often not just mold or one type of mold in a home. there's often a wide variety of different species. what we test for is, the top five inflammation-causing molds in the home. there's a broader test that we're releasing soon looking at several more, mold species in the home.
And it's not just only mold. a lot of folks often say, "Let's just focus on black mold. Black mold is the only toxic mold and problematic." that's not quite true. There's many, molds known to cause harm to human health, and it's not just the mold species themselves, it's the mycotoxins that they release, the VOCs, cell wall fragments even, and getting a little bit more, nerdy with some of the vocabulary words.
It can be the actinobacteria as well, which coincide with the mold species, and beta-glucans, another, another piece of this microbial world, endotoxins, and then, LPS as well. So there's this microbial, let's call it stew, that ends up forming, after a water damage event, in a home
Michelle: That's [00:07:00] interesting. and how does it impact the body exactly? you had mentioned a couple of things, but just like in, in lay terms, like how does mold in the environment actually enter the body or impact the body?
Ariana: Certainly. So I would say, I'll cover aspects of human health that aren't really well-defined in standard medical care. Like what's defined well in standard medical care, is asthma, allergies, fungal infections. the what we address at MoldCo specifically is the inflammatory response to mold, and the way that shows up is, mold or these fragments, these microbial fragments and other types of microbes in the air or in your environment are inhaled.
they go through the nasal passages, they enter the lungs. that then causes your first line of defense, your immune system, to go haywire, and that event leads to ongoing inflammation in the body or a cytokine storm. And from that cytokine storm or that ongoing inflammation, what ends up happening is that multiple parts of the body or multiple systems are impacted.
And then we [00:08:00] see a far, ranging response from brain fog to fatigue to gastrointestinal issues to, even hair loss and, more, more unique to this podcast, fertility issues and missed periods and irregular periods and more. a lot of the common symptoms, that are published are noted in something called the Shoemaker Symptom Cluster.
So,there's a wide variety. I think there's 35 different symptoms listed on the Shoemaker Clusters, but there's several more, symptoms even beyond that cited from the health impacts of mold exposure and other works of literature, noted through clinical practice from our team and other clinical providers we work with and also, through MoldCo directly
Michelle: So inflammation's really like that major, catalyst that happens in the body that causes other things like secondary to that
Ariana: It seem, it seems to be, yes
Michelle: Is there anything neurological?
Ariana: What we end up seeing, and this is an area that we're really excited about, so we have what we believe to be the [00:09:00] world's largest data set in this space. We have thousands of whole blood samples that we're sequencing. we have detailed patient history forms. And what we've noted in some of the MRI data where we looked at volumetric, brain changes, is that there's white matter and gray matter atrophy.
That actually happened to me, as a patient. I was in the 15th percentile, for my age for the amount of atrophy that I experienced. We also see something called enlarged, lateral ventricles, so other parts of the area, other parts of the brain tend to swell up. And there's another pattern that we notice in these patients too.
specific to the brain as well, we notice, memory issues, poor abilities to, learn something new, and we also have that brain fog as though you're almost, thinking through molasses to try to get work done. for me specifically, I noticed a drop in my processing speeds. I also noticed, a, a lower ability to communicate thoughts.
further into the illness, I actually started slurring a bit. So there's definitely impacts on the brain, and what we've noticed with [00:10:00] some of the biobank data specifically is that some of these same pathways that light up in Parkinson's and Alzheimer's also light up in these patients too. So that doesn't, fully demonstrate that mold exposure causes neurodegeneration, but it shows a correlation between what's happening in these patients and what we're also seeing in, neurodegenerative patients
Michelle: That's interesting. And then, I've heard of ionizers. sometimes you see these commercials of like ionizers that they use that basically can neutralize mold in the air.have you heard of that? Like what are your thoughts on that?
Ariana: I would say always look at ozone, present in such air purifiers. That, that would be my, top concern when, looking at ionizers. there is a solution that we do endorse that uses something called bipolar ionization technology, which is just another type of ionizer, and we've looked at the ozone and it's negligible.
I, I think that technology is great, [00:11:00] for this space if there's no, ozone exposure for these patients
Michelle: Okay. 'Cause is o... What does ozone exposure do?
Ariana: Ozone exposure for Syros patients, what ends up happening is that it's quite-- the tissues in the lungs are quite sensitive, ozone ex-exposure exacerbates that for these patients. You tend to not want to breathe it in. if you're already a, a healthy person, some of that exposure would be fine.
We're just more, sensitive to not have an irritant, like that, for our patients.
Michelle: Got it. And then, another question I have, it's almost a theory that I have. It's almost like, an immune system that not every single person is going to be reactive to mold the same, 'cause s-some people almost have an immunity or immune system that's stronger, and others will tend to really get impacted.
Almost like, um, it could be genetics or tendencies. Is that what it is?
Ariana: It is genet-- yeah, I love that we're going here. And, this is actually foundational to our team's [00:12:00] research, so Dr. Shoemaker's research and also Dr. Scott McMahon and others. so it's called HLA haplotypes, and what we specifically measure are three different alleles. so think of it as, maybe three different color patterns that show up in the body.
I'm trying to think of a, a s- a simpler way to describe it, where, some subset of the population has a susceptibility and the other does not. So what we've counted is 24% of the US population has this genetic susceptibility, and there's different theories on why that is. Dr. Shoemaker believes it's an antigen presentation issue, meaning the body can't recognize, this foreign material, and it can therefore cannot actively bind and detox it out.
Um, so that's one theory of what's going on. we're not entirely sure. What we do see is that pattern. the 24%, what we've noted is that roughly 95% of CIRS cases or chronic inflammatory response syndrome had one of these 24%, genetic haplotypes. So it was pretty high [00:13:00] signal for who ends up getting sick.
And it also doesn't mean just because you don't have a genetic susceptibility, you won't get sick. It's just far less likely, based on what we know today
Michelle: Oh, that's interesting. so basically what it could do is because your body doesn't really recognize it and doesn't know what to do with it, it can cause almost an autoimmune response
Ariana: It, it feels that way. an analogy I, I use is that imagine your body's a castle and, you have your security guards in the castle and they have one, outfit, and then you have these foreign invaders coming in and they're wearing the same exact outfit, and
Michelle: Mhm
Ariana: who's friend or who's foe.
but the foreign invaders are there- therefore causing problems like an inflammatory storm, in the body, and the body can't actively clear that out. So
Michelle: I see. So it's almost like, it can accumulate because it doesn't really know what to do with it. But sometimes I know like that, that when there are certain things that will keep causing inflammation, sometimes your body almost like, your immunity almost [00:14:00] overreacts and that that can cause a possible autoimmune reaction in some cases.
Ariana: We, we typically don't characterize Syros as an autoimmune condition. However, there are autoimmune-like aspects to this. for example, we see, in some patients increased anticardiolipin antibodies. We also see increased, antigliadin antibodies. what does that mean? the first one, anticardiolipin antibodies are usually asso- associated, very, specific for this podcast or interesting for this podcast with pregnancy complications, including, miscarriages.
And the antigliadin antibodies are more so associated with that gluten sensitivity. So we see I would say slivers of what looks like an autoimmune condition, but
Michelle: Or
Ariana: it's technically not. Yeah. Yeah. And,
Michelle: Is it more like heightened immunity? Almost like a overreactive immune system?
Ariana: Yes. It, yeah, so your innate immune system, your first line of defense stays in this state where it's just off tilt, [00:15:00] and then your body just, continues to sound the alarm bells, continuously, and that's the inflammation that's, persistent and usually does not tend to go away, for some patients, especially if they're still in exposure.
So it tends to be this more, progressive decline once you have that significant, event, develop something called SIRS, and then you have this ongoing inflammation. So that's one type of pattern we see. We also see in some patients that they fully recover getting out of the environment. we see patients enter remission when they exit the environment, they do treatment, then they're in remission.
So I also want to caveat, that each patient is unique in, in the journey they go through, but a lot of the,similarities we see are around, the wide-ranging scope of symptoms, the flare-ups,when in exposure, and then also resolution of symptoms for the majority of patients when they do the appropriate treatment steps.
Michelle: Got it. and so the symptoms are like what you said, brain fog. you start to feel like more low energy, like, what else [00:16:00] did you say? I don't remember. What are some of the symptoms that could be,
Ariana: Yeah. there's so many. we see disrupted sleep. We see, decreased tolerance to pain. we see,And so I'll also mention that some of these are published, some of these are just noted in clinical practice. We see increased hair loss, see IBS-type, symptoms where alternating, constipation, diarrhea.
We see onset of new food sensitivities, irregular periods, especially heavy periods or painful periods. sometimes we see multiple miscarriages. so there's just this wide variety of different, symptoms we see. of course, some of the main issues like sinus issues and respiratory issues as well.
so one thatI think throws a lot of people off is, frequent urination, like getting up in the middle of the night to use the restroom, for example. So that's a more common symptom that you wouldn't even, fully expect to seein these patients.
Michelle: That's interesting. That's, an interesting one that I think that nobody really would really think about that. Why is that? [00:17:00] Why would you say?
Ariana: what ends up happening is, ADH and osmolality get dysregulated. and I'm pretty sure that's downstream of the HPA axis dysregulation that happens. So you have this, widespread inflammation. it impacts the leptin receptors, it impacts the HPA axis, and downstream of that, multiple hormones end up getting dysregulated.
I had another, friend in healthcare mention, it could be due to cortisol dysregulation too. The body's just trying to relieve itself of the excess cortisol, when these things are happening. I think there's so much that we have yet to understand. A lot of the, a lot of our, belief in the biotoxin illness and the mechanism of action is essentially like stitching together what we've seen in the biomarkers, what we understand about human health, what we understand about, different types of biotoxin exposure, but we're still, putting together this puzzle of exactly why does it show up the way it does.
And that's also key to why, us as a company, we've really invested in the R&D side and, collecting this data to better understand the impacts of mold on [00:18:00] human health, because with that, we can then find the next generation of treatments and biomarkers to actually make a difference for this illness.
Michelle: So talk about MoldCo. that's your company. What exactly do you guys do, like from start to finish?
Ariana: Yeah. We help answer three key questions for patients. So one, am I being exposed to mold? we offer a very easy, environmental test where you can see, am I exposed? so it's a cloth, you wipe down different surfaces. We send that into the lab for PCR testing, and then you get a low, medium, high report to see if, if your environment is problematic.
I always say, to patients, just quick side note, it's almost impossible to be in a bubble boy type environment, like going into a completely sterile environment should not be the goal. but being in a, an environment that you can tolerate, and works for you and your health is good. that's why we have a low, medium, high score gradient, versus saying yes, no, which doesn't really apply in the real world.
the second question that we help [00:19:00] answer is around, our lab testing. So we do a blood test for different biomarkers, and it helps answer the question, did mold make me sick? So we look for the most evidence-based markers in the space. These are markers you probably, or maybe, I'm sure you've heard of these, but most people haven't heard of these, like MMP-9, MSH, TGF beta 1, C4a.
So these are more unique to, SIRS, chronic inflammatory response syndrome, and it's the ones we, we test for our patients. And then the third question, we help answer is how do I get better? And for that, we provide end-to-end care, which includes a concierge care portal where you can message your provider at any time, and we also ship the medications directly to your door.
that usually runs between, $150 to $300 all in, for concierge care, medication, shipping, and all of that. So what we've created is something that is about a 10th to a hundred the cost of what we've seen, patients paying otherwise. And, so that was our goal. It's how do we create something that's affordable and accessible [00:20:00] and can reach anyone no matter where they are, even if it, they're in a rural location, or don't have access to a clinic, or don't even have insurance.
how do we solve for that patient?
Michelle: Oh, that's wonderful. And so what, what does treatments look like
Ariana: Yeah. so high level, our approach, we describe it as detox, clear, and repair. and that's three phases of care. the first phase of care includes a prescription binder, called colesevelam. And I have to give a asterisk. Colesevelam is an FDA-approved medication used off-label for this use case, soI need to, mention that.
And it's one of the most frequently used, binders for mold exposure.
that's what we use for the first step, as well as other steps around supplements and, dietary management and helping, help- helping our patients get out of exposure. The second step is our clear step, and that's an EDTA-based nasal spray, and that nasal spray is essentially to address something called MARCoNS and also biofilms in the nasal passages.[00:21:00]
What we noted in, through Dr. Shoemaker's approach and through clinical practice is that there's a higher probability of, symptoms, recovery, if you do that step, especially before our final step, VIP, which is, a basal intestinal, polypeptide. It's also a nasal spray, and that's our repair step.
So those are high level, the three, medications. There's also supplements we use like omega-3s.we also endorse something called a low-amylose diet, as well, which helps reduce some of these inflammatory markers. so all of that's included, and we guide patients through each step,including titration, when to transition, how to overlap certain steps, if you have to redo a step.
if you've been in, exposure again, how do you account for that in your treatment approach? if you have very, specific questions to your unique case, there's the concierge care. so we've already built all of that out, and it's available now in, 48 states.
Michelle: Amazing. And so for people who might not really have the means to [00:22:00] move, or remediate their place, are there ways, we talked a little bit about ionizers. Are there options or ways for them to be able to do something that's going to help, but obviously without doing the full like root cause, removal?
Ariana: Yes. And I would say, remediation, relocation, and, addressing the environment some way, somehow, through, through temporary steps are all options. renters have more options than homeowners because renters, and please, look into your state laws and work with a lawyer just depending on your situation.
they're often able to break their lease or, send a cure notice to help fix the issue, to their landlord. there's just more options there and, more fluidity to be able to move, than homeowners. There's also a number of band-aid solutions too, where you can,isolate where the source is coming from, and have air purifiers, keep your [00:23:00] windows open, stay far away from the source of exposure and, ideally not spend, as much time in, in the home if you're being exposed.
I would say all of those are temporary band-aid solutions,
unfortunately. However, there, there is a lot of new, innovation and companies getting started, especially more recently, to help address the environmental side for patients. So I'm really excited about all of that. And I've also seen, at least one, option for loans, for remediation too, 'cause remediation can be quite expensive, sometimes tens of thousands of dollars, if not more, depending on the size of your home and the extent of the damage and also location of the damage.
if it's in, if it's on the roof, it's, tends to be quite a bit more expensive. there's also these like loan options, as well, so you're actually able to afford it like a monthly bill over, let's say a 10 period, 10-year period of time, which makes it, way, way easier to do for many people.
Michelle: So what were the, what were you mentioning with the new companies, like [00:24:00] new technology, or is it more for air purifiers or what is that?
Ariana: Yeah, all of the above. I've seen new air purification companies, new air sensor companies, new environmental testing companies, new ways to, track, track remediation and services done in the home. there's new building materials, new types of, homes being built, as well that are mold-resistant or mold-free.
there's just a lot more happening now and, I'm just seeing a lot more of that kind of activity. I've also, being a founder and, speaking to a lot of other founders, I'm constantly planting seeds like, "Hey, this is a really big problem in this space," specifically affordability around remediation and making sure you're addressing the source and, accurately finding the source and more.
I'm also just like really encouraging, the founder ecosystem to keep innovating and finding solutions to make this, easier and better for everyone.
Michelle: That's exciting. hopefully, we'll start to come up with some kind of material because that, that would be amazing. [00:25:00] ultimately in places like m- where I live, there's so much rain, and even if you fix a leak, another leak pops up. it's a very, typical thing in Florida.
Ariana: it's tough. Yeah, it's tough in Florida. like subtropical conditions, multiple hurricanes and flooding events. Like it, it's just a tough geography whenit comes to mold, growth for sure.
Michelle: but yeah, so it would be actually, I'm sure it really doesn't do much, but I know that there's even certain plants that can help the environment inside
Ariana: potentially. I, there, there are plants that are known for air purification. however, we've also seen plants, be point sources for mold growth in the home too, especially, you'll see like a, a white kind of netting, growing on some plants. So also, encourage folks to be mindful of that, especially if you are more hypersensitive.
and when I say hypersensitive, usually these patients can't, tolerate perfumes or walk down the laundry detergent aisle, or they can only eat a [00:26:00] few food groups. most definitely that, type of patient. but also even less sensitive than that, I've seen reactive to, the molds found in plants
Michelle: Okay. And then if people are interested in looking into it and maybe testing themselves and looking into MoldCo, how can they find you and the company?
Ariana: Yeah, absolutely. we also offer a ton of free resources too, just from an educational standpoint. So I would say start with our free assessment. it's called our signs assessment. We look into the most common, symptoms and environmental signs, and then you can get, similar to a low, medium, high score from that.
after that step, we also offer a free guide, so you can learn as much as possible. And then from there, we offer blood-based, testing to see if you have the most common markers that are off due to mold exposure, as well as that environmental test of the home if you're not even sure if you're getting exposed.
the most common places of exposure are not just the home, it can also be the school or place you work. [00:27:00] so I also encourage folks to be mindful of where they feel their best and also where they don't feel their best as well. they're noticing, brain fog and symptom flare-ups and other, just feeling off, in the, in their workplace, like that could be a sign to investigate, some of those common signs further or even do, an environmental test,there.
Michelle: Okay, great. where-- Did you mention the website? I didn't hear.
Ariana: Oh, no, I didn't. Thank you. Yeah, moldco.com,M-O-L-D-C-O.com
Michelle: I'll have all of the links anyway if anybody wants to find it. so you'll find that in the episode notes. Arianna, this is such a great conversation because I do feel like it is something that's hidden. Sometimes people don't even think to check. It's not the first and, it's not as a front like to so many other things that people are thinking about, especially when it comes to fertility health.
So I think that it is such an important topic to bring up and, also to [00:28:00] make people aware. that being said, just like endocrine disruptors, sometimes they can, freak people out. the good news is that it seems like there is a lot that people can do, and I think that, that is an empowering message
Ariana: There's so much, and it's getting easier and easier as time goes by. I think at this point I also wanna say don't get so much anxiety or fear, if you have mold at home or if you discover you have some of the symptoms or the biomarkers light up. There is, there's just a much easier path, today,thankfully, and it's just getting easier and easier
Michelle: Great. thank you so much, Arianna. This is a great conversation. Thank you so much for coming on
Ariana: Yay. Thank you, Michelle. Really appreciate it
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