Ep 373 Beyond the Physical: Taoist Alchemy and the Intelligence of the Body
In this expansive and deeply illuminating episode of The Wholesome Fertility Podcast, Michelle is joined by San Qing, a Daoist priest, teacher of internal alchemy, and lifelong explorer of consciousness, healing, and human potential.
San shares his extraordinary origin story, including a near-death experience as a child, spontaneous clairvoyant and healing abilities, and his eventual ordination in Daoist lineages in China. Together, Michelle and San dive into the nature of reality, the illusion of identification with the material world, and how true healing occurs when we access the stillness beneath thought, diagnosis, and fear.
This conversation bridges ancient Daoist wisdom with modern conversations around quantum healing, consciousness, and fertility. It explores how attachment to labels, timelines, and medical predictions can keep the body stuck, and how returning to the “void,” the place of non-identity and stillness, allows the body and spirit to reorganise into harmony.
This episode is a powerful invitation to remember that healing is not something we force, but something we allow when we reconnect with our deeper intelligence.
Key Takeaways:
Healing begins beyond the physical body, in consciousness and energy
Identifying too strongly with diagnoses can limit what the body is capable of
Stillness and non-attachment create space for transformation
The body must be able to hold the energetic charge of healing
Ancient Daoist teachings offer a roadmap for embodied, sustainable healing
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Michelle: Welcome to the podcast ing.
San: So, so grateful to be here. Thank you, Michelle. It's, um, it's an incredible honor to be on your podcast and we, we hold a dear friend, a mutual friend, family to me, and it's, you know, it's, it's great to have a community that, you know, observes the blatantly obvious That seems to be a distortion for most people, which is
Michelle: Yes, I know we're gonna have an incredible conversation. I'm actually, I really was looking forward to this. Um, our mutual friend, uh, Julie Ryan is an incredible, intuitive, and, um, she's just like a master in her own world, um, and in our world, she's just an incredible human being. I know that, um, well, she's already diagnosed me and said very specific things, so she's really on it.
So I knew that when she [00:01:00] mentioned you, there was definitely a reason we needed to meet. And then I'm reading about you and I'm just so excited to dive in because, um, pretty much everything that I'm reading is right up my alley. Um, I love the whole consciousness conversation. I love the mysticism. Um, which it's funny how we call it mysticism, but it's actually reality, but it seems to be kind of hidden.
So we're gonna really unpack a lot of that. Um, before we do get started, I would love for you to share your origin story. I always like to get started with that so people can get to know you.
San: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, we can do a little bit of an abbreviated thing. Uh, I know we've only got one lifetime
Michelle: It's always a long story, I think, for everybody.
San: But you know, it, it, it started, uh, as a young boy, uh, about three or four. Um. I focused on many [00:02:00] things, but more of the fact my obsession with superheroes. And because I was left alone as a latchkey kid, you'd think back in my generation that was not abnormal to have children left by themselves. That didn't end up as a, a huge community disservice where the parents are looking at like 20 years in jail time.
So there were moments when the TV was my best friend and I, I was very aware of something bigger that was in the room. And so I was able to see through walls and, and see through people's bodies, and, and it was, it was very familiar for me. So being obsessed with reading comic books, uh, the Hulk, uh, Superman, Batman, all that kind of stuff just jelled with me.
So I was curious. Yet I knew there was something very, very normal about these type of powers. And so I had experienced little bits. And by the age of eight, uh, I [00:03:00] came across an experience where I was hit head on by a car and literally was dead for like
Michelle: Wow.
San: So what happened was, um, drunk driver, of course it seems to be a common thing that's like, whoa.
Ran right over me. My bike bike jam between his front wheels and the, and the road I flew up in the air would've seemed to be 20 feet. I saw the top of the trees hit the side of the road. I got up at that point, I was only literally a car space tow at the front of my house. And I, at the time I was living in the country, so it was a pretty remote, but I was riding from the center of town out to my house, which was like a, like a, a country style farm.
And so I got up after being hit. The only thing I could think about was I have to see my mother before I die. And as I stepped forward, I fell backwards. The second my body hit the ground, I was Peter Pan. I was flying [00:04:00] around, like literally observing my environment where I witnessed my mother screaming as she was running to my lifeless body.
And I was just consumed with I can fly anywhere. I was like, I am Superman. I shot up to the top of like the sky, the universe, and then came back down still observing this tragedy. And so this, this death experience to rebirth was really the catalyst for my curiosity, which led me deeper into a fascination with the Chinese culture.
And, you know, um, by the age of 10 I got became pretty mildly obsessed with bodybuilding and power lifting. And I picked up a. A, um, manual, a, a self sort of diagnosis of reality by this goofy guy by the name of Arnold Schwarzenegger called Education of a Bodybuilder. And so I was using that as my bible as a young boy.
[00:05:00] So at that point I was fasting and doing a lot of things nutritionally that are more community-wise, um, received and accepted. So I got deep into that culture. I started competing when I was 15 years old, got down to about 4% body fat at about 187 pounds. Then I progressed as I got into my late teens pulling ridiculous weights.
800 pound deadlift, 800 pound squat. And these were for reps. This was not my pr so I had no bar boundaries because my mentor was teach me, he was a 30 year veteran of bodybuilding. So it was teaching me about nutrition and, and training. So I had a really in depth understanding of all the mechanics. So when I'm using like fats to get shredded at the age of 11, like literally walking around with a bag of like walnut oil, um, coconut oil, things that most people wouldn't even, and [00:06:00] in those days had no idea about.
They didn't know what fasting was. They didn't know about, um, the ketogenic process, what that really means, how you can harness your hormones. So I was on a journey of mastering
Michelle: And where did you grow
San: And so that led in Australia. So I, by the time I was 17, 18, I, there was a lot of stress on the physiology. Um, I was tipping over 300 pounds in body weight at, at about 20 plus percent, which was insane for my age.
But I really had no boundaries because my mind led the reality. So if someone did, if I was deflated by a early twenties when I was, someone subtly told me, it's like someone telling you that Santa Claus doesn't exist. Someone made it clear to me that, you know, Schwarzenegger was using peds and other things of that nature.
I didn't believe [00:07:00] it. 'cause I had nothing to limit myself. One of the, the most powerful things my mother ever shared with me was, if you think it, you can create it mind over matter. Just a very simplistic sort of way to live, but. You have the ability to create your reality. So by 1718, voice in my head, you need to go and find meditation completely like changing the direction of my life as an obsessive physically, um, tactile individual to something.
That seemed so foreign in those days. It was, it was referred to as, uh, Hari Krishnas and vegans with hairy armpits. I mean, there was really no standard. You, uh, you know, we're coming out in the eighties from sort of a revolution of the sixties and seventies where people were obsessed with psycho Nordic experiences, you know, LSD and all that kind of good stuff.
So what was that really? I mean, we've got shades of like eastern [00:08:00] culture from the late forties, fifties moving into the sixties with yoga under and, and Hari Krishnas and all this Eastern philosophy stuff. And it was steeped in this mystic aspect. So I had always had a fascination with the Chinese culture.
Most of the time. Whenever I would have time, I'd go into the Center of Sydney and go to the movies and hang out in Chinatown. And it was like this natural, um. Homeostasis. I, I, the culture was so ingrained into who I am, and so that led me to this moment where I discovered meditation by looking up what they call, and I tell my kids, I have six kids.
Hey, it's called a classify. What is that? Well, that was in a newspaper. what's a newspaper? I mean, it's just funny how history changes. Anyway, so I discovered this meditation class, and this thing's telling me, you gotta try it now. [00:09:00] My golden rule in life is I'll try anything once. I don't know
whether that's good or what did you know about meditation? Nothing. You Now hurry, Krishna. Like, yeah. And you know, meditation was so foreign. It was like, okay, I'm good at picking up things, crushing them and throwing them. That was my instinct, that was my survival, that was my ability to transmute things. And I was extremely laser focused. Little did I know I was already.
Master my skills from a very young age. After my, my death and rebirth, it was a natural order. I would literally focus on something and it would trans translate and transmute into that. So I've been giving over and over again. You know, when you get under a weight, it's really not measured the, the power of the body until you really have to meet that moment where the tactile response of the, the flesh meeting the steel is really what sort of [00:10:00] adversity is necessary in this day and age, because generations, many generations leading up to this current one, they've become so soft that they don't know what it's like to live in their body.
And so, so many people are obsessed with getting outside of themselves. I don't wanna come back. This is a, this is a prison planet. I mean, there's many theories on. Someone's version of reality, which I'm not discounting, but like there is a reason within DAOs, uh, alchemy and the path of DAOs rights that you want to meet that moment.
The, the most natural order is that selection of the body can be a recreation, if not heaven on earth. You are a macro of a micro. So the, you know, the charge that we get right now by speaking on this, we can feel the visceral effects of that. That kin kinesthetic charge is a consensus that we're having that, you know, to my parapsychologists [00:11:00] friends is psychokinesis.
There is a absolute consensus that there is something greater. There is an energetic pull that we may not visually see for many of us, if you follow the path of alchemy with end Daoism, it becomes a very natural. Order to be able to see into things and have great depth of information in all layers from the ORIC field to the mind, to the body, all converging together.
And your ability to read that would be in more current common sensory perception like Clare Voyance mediumship channeling. That's, that's all goes under the same umbrella of, of a DAOs priest. These are all the things that I teach people that have been for many decades. It's kind of like a, it's part of the course of, of, of natural selection.
You recognize that you are all these things, you are iterations of everything. All is one, one is all. So the great [00:12:00] bellows we call it is that you are contracting, expanding at the same time you are. All things are nothing at the same time. And your mission, if you choose to accept it, Ethan Hunt, is to find the center point.
Find the center a point, which we refer to within Daoism is, uh, the primordial mother, the ji, the stillness that from that arrives, this resonance that is heaven on earth. This ability to transmute energy potential and it's vibratory, sequential, it holds resonance. And once you hold that resonance, oh yes, it will be yours.
Oh, yes, it will. So then you garner that and you enrich yourself in what we refer to as absorbing the riches. We start to saturate the physical body. That flesh and blood that looks back at you in the mirror is 50 trillion cells of potential electrical charges that can now be emanated and converges. One, you become the maestro, the [00:13:00] actual.
In, in definition of immortality crystallized in the material. By the way, one of my books, no Plug, you find that you create heaven on earth by synergizing yourself, and that that longevity is one of the major, uh, keys to any Daoist path that you recognize that by walking through that vesica, that center point we refer to as the ouje, you are everything and nothing, and that you, you don't fit into one category.
Daoism is one of those neutral things where people don't recognize. It's like, well, it's not my football team, it's everyone's football team, and we all come together recognizing that passing through. The, the whole what? The holy stream, we refer to the convergence. Once you recognize the symbiotic dance between yin and yang is this beautiful little tango that takes [00:14:00] place within this material state.
Magical things take place, really take place, and so you have to move past what someone would fundamentally, within a dualistic or centric, non centric state recognize things as identity or subjective to a point of a fixated point IE the exogenous consumption of the cannibalistic behavior of the human condition personality, finite mind.
It's not a requirement. The true passage, right of passage of the Taoist is. Natural and it is a dow given, right? That comes with the very synergistic realization. You are everything, the primordial mother ops, the gateway. And guess what We find this serendipitous [00:15:00] synchronistic moment. Wwe. Effortless action.
Michelle: thing ever.
San: You know? And I mean, as you pour yourself into your round cup, you are already, you are already trancing into that energy, my friend, and you're melting in like butter on a hot frying pan. It just all synergizes. We are communing, we are meeting this very moment and we are high as af right now getting into this state.
And it, it's magical when, when you recognize that, that's the potency. So I find this meditation class. I reluctantly drive out there. I'm like 18 years old. I'm thinking, Hmm. It's in a bad neighborhood. I mean, I'm an overgrown gorilla, right? You know, people would look at me and be petrified, but I was more concerned.
I'm a, I'm a little teddy bear, so I drive out there and it's a, it's basically a free workshop. I kind of figured there was some angle, like someone was trying to [00:16:00] write off a nonprofit or something, you know? It's like, okay, this woman's a grandma. She's gonna offer this, um, meditation. She was a Qigong grandma, whatever.
I was like, look, it's free. It's, let me go there. So I turned up. Reluctantly parked in the parking lot of the wreck center. It was being offered at a, a, you know, a community sort of center around me was just like chaos, mayhem, screaming dogs, barking ambulances. It was in a bad neighborhood. Let's be very clear.
I'm not gonna sugar coat it. So I pulled out, I get out of the parking lot, I walk up the stairs to this rec center and walk in the door and there's a pew of people sort of like fussing around getting into this weird position that I later found out was called the lotus position, kind of sitting weird.
Me, I was, you know, stone sort of trying to milk back to butter, but it wasn't really happening at that point. I'd [00:17:00] trained myself to be stringent and, and. And stoic and hard. So I had to crack open the soft center. So I'm attempting to sit down in this lotus position. I look like an overgrown eight, trying to scratch my ass.
This woman is walking around and standing. She would come up to here on me and I'm just sort of hunching over and, you know, she was so receptive and, and opening. She didn't really go, oh, you need to do this, do that. She was just observing, letting people get into position and people are like wanting to run their hot chakras and they're sitting in there and they're posturing themselves, attempting to straighten their, their channel, their flow.
And uh, I was just trying to survive. I was hearing all this crap outside. I was really thinking, I'm, I need to get up and leave. This is not for me. Whatever this meditation thing is, I want action, man. I want crushing, I want physical engagement. I was more concerned with the screaming, the [00:18:00] dogs barking, whatever.
And so she, she gets comfortable, she looks around, she walks up to me, she just kind of smiles and nods her head and keeps walking around the room, gets in the center of the room and I'm thinking, I'm gonna get up and go, I don't wanna interrupt this anymore. And all of a sudden she goes, I want you to, um, listen to my voice.
And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like in the same second then she said, and then everything will fall away. And I kid you not for 20 minutes, I stop sound. Well, I observed stopping sound. Nothing gone. I'm like, my, my eyes are like sauce. And there was no sound. I'm looking around the room, she's looking at me going and I'm like. It's like, there's no freaking sound. I can't hear anything coming out of her mouth. 'cause she's, IG too, too, too. At my moment of, of, of inquiry, it was a meditation. So I imagine someone was speaking [00:19:00] something, nothing, no sound in the background, no sound outside, gone. And my eyes were getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
And for 20 minutes I was like, this is it. This is the superpower that I was looking for. I have found it. I have met it. Holy crap. I need this now. And so this went on for 20 minutes. I was blown away and she was very humble and soft and said, oh, you did very well, thank you. I left there going, what next? I mean, I didn't pursue her, it was just a natural thing.
So I went back to the, um, the classifieds and I was like, okay. Channeling. Someone said channeling. I'm like, what am I gonna channeling? What is that finder? And how did the newspaper, this guy's offering a channeling class. So I turned up to that the next day, I'm addicted. I'm like, whatever this is, I want more of it.
I [00:20:00] mean, this is crazy. I mean, stopping sound like I was just so over overwhelmed with excitement. I turn up to this channeling class and this guy looks at me and goes, no. I'm like, whoa, no. And I'm like, whoa. I said, no, no, and I'm, can you please let me know why you're saying no? I'm just here for the, I don't care.
You are not someone that needs to be in this class. And I'm like. Hey, look, you're offering it. Take my money. I think it was five or 10 bucks at the time. It was like, you know, back in those days it was a lot of money back in the eighties. I'm like, no. I'm like, please just let me, you know, I wanted to write.
It's like, take a look around you look at a place, and I did look at a place, everyone else looked like a [00:21:00] hippie just hanging out with their organic clothes on and they were very, very much relaxed, vegan types. He's like, this is not gonna help you. Whatever you're looking for, you're not gonna find it.
You'll never be able to do this. I'm like, can I please just be here? Like this force was like, you must be here. So. He let me sit on the class, not five, 10 minutes later, the whole room was standing around me with their sticks, with marshmallows, cooking it from the emanation of, of the vibration frequency that was coming outta my body.
'cause I hit, lasu, entered my body at a, at a, at a, a velocity that was like a rocket shooting off to the moon. And I was sweating profusely and emanating this radiance that I'd never, I was like, I am, I'm observing my body literally vibrating and moving in a, in a pattern that I've [00:22:00] never expressed before and my mouth was unable to open and something was talking through me, where as I looked through my eyes, there was a superficial energy that was laying on top of me that was speaking to the audience.
I had no control over. My mouth was shut. So. Was lasu talking and this guy was like, really? And everyone was like, holy crap, how is this happening? I had no expectation that was I, I fundamentally, I remind people, I'm like, accept everything at face value like a child, and you'll be shocked if you're childlike in your nature, what can come about of your own exploration of self, that things can literally happen instantaneously.
You don't have to spend lifetimes committing to anything if you allow yourself to be a recipient to really [00:23:00] receive the new version of self, the new iteration of self. So I was channeling Lazu and everyone was freaking out. All these words were coming out. I was speaking on it. Then it got really freaky because then he left my body and now I seem him as clear as I see you now everywhere.
Michelle: Mm-hmm.
San: Like, now I'm looking at this spirit that is like as dense and as 4K, eight K as you are, and hearing his voice and I'm like, okay, I'm officially crazy. This is awesome. I can't wait.
Michelle: So he became your than that. I'm like, well, he's teacher. Yeah. Still to this day, 30 years later, he is still my teacher.
San: And channeling is an art form that can be taken on by anyone. 'cause we all do it. You don't realize you're being calm and did by your attention, intention, understanding the convergence of conscious and unconscious. We're doing it all the time. As one of my
[00:24:00] teachers would say, uh, Jade I wholeheartedly agree.
right? Well, he, he always reminds us all sorts of, your mind are not yours.
Well then whose are they?
Michelle: I was just literally listening to that in a, an audio book today. It was talking about how, uh, it's like the muse, you know, creations. It, it's coming from somewhere. We're really channeling it. It's not just randomly coming from
San: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, you know, um, started talking to this guy that was literally an apparition that was as dense as you are. And I think I've lost my mind because as a young boy, I warded off, um, a, a, a pretty big virus for most of my friends who were sort of aimless and they couldn't understand why my obsession with bodybuilding and power lifting became, um, more dominant than anything else.
So I'd hang out with my childhood friends that, you know, in my teens and they'd all be smoking dope, taking [00:25:00] drugs, all this kind of stuff. And I'd be in the corner of the room reading a muscle and fitness magazine going, you know, and, and, and at a certain point, I think I was 16, they were like, you know what?
You gotta go. I'm like. What you're a buzzkill. Like either take the drugs or not. But I'm like, we're being friends for so long. It's like, just get outta here man. And like I was so adamant, there was a force at that point throughout my childhood that said, do not touch that stuff. Nothing. Not a don't go near it.
And I was like, okay, I'm cool with that. It doesn't, it's not swaying me one way, another, I couldn't care less about these things. But later in my teenage years at the point where I got to channeling lets sue outta my 20 childhood friends, pretty much most of them had committed
suicide because it's such a daunting effect now.
I would say that's even worse now because [00:26:00] they're being completely bombarded with this false, uh, distortion through digital media that makes it very difficult for a young mind to get a handle on who they are. Very difficult, very dis, too much distortion, too much
information. So I had all, what happened was by the time I was seeing Lazu, I thought I'd lost my mind like everyone else, because they just started to just melt away their own sense of self, their own persona just disintegrated.
And I witnessed that throughout my whole teenage life. And so I was like, I wanted to avoid this. So now all of a sudden I've gone and started this channeling thing. Now I'm seeing gray men talking to me, hearing them, seeing them, I'm, I've lost my mind. And I was so deep into it from no sound to this. It was like a gut punch.
So the third day turns around this guy's offering channel, [00:27:00] um, clairvoyance training. I'm like, oh yeah, well, and he's like, dude, I'm not. So, and a 60 year veteran, completely pissed off that some newbie barbarian walks into his very refined channeling class and literally is channeling this high level of wisdom and source information.
And I really didn't know what I was doing. Of course I didn't. But I knew that I was at, arrived home with this energy and this relationship with, uh, Lazu. And so now I've got this in the background. I see this guy with my eyes open. I'm going batshit crazy at this point. I'm all in. What else could, what's, what else could possibly happen after two days of mind bending stuff?
Sure. So I went through this channeling workshop, um, no, sorry, clairvoyance, and it was a day training. Next minute he goes, okay, I've given you the instruction. Now, a lot of things that I, that [00:28:00] I attribute to me, being able to remember who I am is that there's nothing more to it. You just accept it at face value and it just recognizes and realize itself.
So I was like, okay, here's the run of the mill bodybuilding power lifting. You do five exercises, three compound, one isolate, uh, low reps, high reps. What? How are you gonna manipulate the muscle fiber to get the response? I mean, that's just my mindset. I've been training for so many years. This is how I do it.
You eat that. You don't eat that. Here's the endocrine system, manipulated. You sleep, you don't sleep. All the things that you need to stimulate a response within the body. So I took this the same way. It's like, okay, so now I'm seeing this gray guy. I am listening to his voice. I'm hearing him. I'm, I must be going crazy.
Now. This guy teaches me, oh, this is clairvoyant reading 1 0 1. Read the ORs. Here's how you do it. One through 10. Do do. And so I did the class and here's [00:29:00] the manual. Okay, now read me Mr. Channeler. Like, he was getting really, really, really bitchy. Really, like, had a disdain for me now because he was like, this is ridiculous.
I've done this for 60 years. What happened to the spiritual enlightenment? And this, this barbarian clown walks in and he's channeling, you know, Zu. And so it's like, yeah, sure, go ahead. Show me how you could channel, I mean, uh, read my, read my aura, and I'm like, okay. And I, you know, there's no standard. I'm just giving this one through 10 sort of thing.
I'm like, okay. Um, okay. There's an energy telling me you don't continue to give them. Your students' life force, they will kill you. And he was just like, what? Up, up, up. We're in like a small little environment like someone's house and [00:30:00] they had like this group of 20 people get up, go in the other room, get up, get up, get up, go.
And I'm being pushed in. I'm like, what, what, what did I do? He sits me down. He goes, what did you just say to me? And I was like, I don't know. Like you asked me to read your energy. This energy came in and it's saying that if you don't continue giving them the energy of your students, it's gonna take your life. And then next minute, it's giving me this confession. Okay, look, I need you to understand something. I'm, I'm, I'm in a transition. I'm, I'm reprioritizing how, and I'm not, I'm not hearing anything. I just want, my goal is. Did I hit the goal coach or did I not hit the goal? Because that's all I'm looking for.
Did, was it, was it close to, did I go through the goalpost? I mean, what's going on? So he's confessing to me that this is his behavior, this is what he's doing. He's like, he's literally really siphoning energy from his students. And I'm like, it wasn't comprehending in my mind. 'cause what do I [00:31:00] know? I'm like, three days into this whole experience, what the hell do I have a clue about?
You know, c siping energy from people or knowing what energy is, or auras or, I mean, this is all foreign. So next minute he starts confessing and it finally hits me and I go, did I get it right? like, look, I need no, did I get it right? Is this information correct? Look, I just, no, no, no, no. Just tell me.
'cause I, I'm goal oriented. It's like, tell me. He's like, yes, but I want to explain myself. And I was just like, holy shit. This is mind blowing to me. This is like, this is like out of the, this is out of my TV shows. This is the comic books. This is what Superman does. This is, I mean, it was just overwhelming.
One thing after another. And so he does a confession [00:32:00] thing. Um, latest story about him, if we get to it, fourth day goes in, I get, I get a crash course in what they call distant healing. Everyone knows what this is. This is a common denominator. You know, you, you apply either, uh, physical acupuncture or you could do virtual acupuncture.
You can do all types of way crazy things to access people's channels. Um, I finished this thing. I go home. I'm getting a call. 'cause in those days we have rotary phones, you know, it's like we don't have cell phones, dude. We're never like put away. So a friend of mine calls and she goes, look, I can't make it.
I was gonna come and see you today. My ankle's busted, I rolled it. It's the size of watermelon. I'm probably gonna be off it for days. It's gonna take me weeks to, to rehab this scene. It's over. And I'm like, oh, that's too bad. I want to catch up with you. And she was like, go look, I'll catch up with you. And she went to to, to hang up on me and I was like, [00:33:00] hold on.
She's like, what do you mean hold on, hold on. I learned this thing today. And she's like, mm, what It's called distant healing. And she's like, oh, what is that? I'm like, can you just give me five seconds? Can I try this thing on you? Like if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. If it works, you're gonna feel better.
She's like, look, can you just hurry up? Whatever it is. I said, it'll take two minutes. So I had again, another script. It had the form, it had an incantation, which evoked certain things. Then you would speak through it, and then in the end you would cast it with a specific, um, uh, catalyst. Um, what they refer to as, um, the vehicle of the divine mother.
So this would, would evoke the magic and solidify it. So I went through the, the, the instruction and she's like, can you hurry up, [00:34:00] please, please. I'm like, two seconds. Two seconds. I'm just about, now I'm gonna say this thing. I'm gonna say it. A couple of words, just don't make any sense of it. And then let's see what happens.
And she's like, please hurry up. I just wanna get off the phone. So I do, I go through the thing next when I'm like, heal, heal, heal, heal, heal. It was five words. That's it. Then I hear whatever, and she starts screaming through the phone and I'm like. What, what? And I'm like, what? And she goes, I don't know what kind of sorcery you're into, but my ankle just shrunk and it's back to normal.
And I'm standing on it right now. What is going on? And I'm like, I'm like, I'm, I'm thinking I'm seeing a a, an old dude talking to me. I'm pretty much insane at this point. It's like, what, what else can happen? I'm, I'm reading Aus, I'm doing all this stuff. I'm like, sure it did. At this point, I [00:35:00] want to dispute things.
'cause I'm, I know I'm going crazy, but I wanna dispute it. She's like, you need to come over here. This is crazy. And I'm like, back in those days, Polaroids are big things. Take the snapshot, you know? Oh yeah. Check it out. Look what, what? We've taken a photo of blah, blah, blah. She was a, she had a habit of taking photos before and before and after of anything.
Right. Whatever it is, she was bought out of her mind. So she's take photos of her. I get over to her place, she's living with her parents. She runs up to me, gives me a big hug, and then it's like, okay, you're standing. That's great. My ankle swollen size of a a, a cantaloupe. I'm like, I don't see that. 'cause I wanted to, I want to push back on all this craziness.
I'm like, I need to stop. Like this is getting insane. She shows me the Polaroid that I freak out and she goes, I'm standing on it and I'm like, holy shit. And the mother's sitting there 'cause it's [00:36:00] in her family home. And her mother had a habit of, you know, her, her normal remedy is two packs of cigarettes in a bottle of vodka is the normal remedy for a day in the life of.
So she's sitting there puffing away. You know, back in those days secondhand spoke was good for you. You know, it's like, and I'm like doing this and she's talking to me and the mother's sitting there and she goes. knew you were a healer. And I was like, are you talking about? I knew you were a healer. What does that even mean? And so I'm having this three-way spiritual doctor filled with these people. They're like, yeah, look, you can do it. You have the superpower. I'm like, I dunno what you think I have. I just followed instruction. If this is accurate, you have definitely received a healing. And so this gets to a nominal level [00:37:00] where a phenomenal level where the mother goes, I want you to come back tomorrow.
I've got a problem with my foot. So in essence, she doesn't believe in doctors. She has a stupid, stupid amount of money. She has a bunch of yes people around her. She had a distended stomach. Like honestly, she's near death. Like in my opinion. Like she couldn't say anything, just smokes away, drinks, vodka, whatever.
So I turn up to her house, I got lasu talking to me in the periphery. I'm seeing him. It's like, okay, well what else could happen? I mean is, what am I gonna do here? I'm gonna, you got a problem with your foot? So I literally turn up going, well, what am I gonna do? Sure, let's play along with this. I pull her sock off.
It was gangs. It was like black. And I'm like, whoa. I don't know. I mean, I'm not a doctor. I'm just like, uh, I dunno what, I'm crazy. All this kind of stuff. And I'm thinking in my head now, LA's like, no, no, no, no. [00:38:00] And I'm like, what do you mean? No, no, no, no. You are gonna watch your healing. I'm like, what do you mean watch your healing?
And I sat there and for 40 minutes, watched her foot go from black to pink in color
Michelle: That's crazy. Wow.
San: beyond
Michelle: but they do that. I, I've seen videos of that in China with the
San: Oh yeah. It's, it's 100% real. I've been experiencing
Michelle: You can actually, they, they recorded it, uh, where tumors would shrink
in tumor. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've seen everything from
San: that
to tumors disappear. Um, when I got comfortable with it, I used to just take, uh, sebaceous cysts raised to the top of the skin and burst them like, you know, volcanoes. That was my favorite. That's my favorite. That was my obsession. So this turns into I, I, I need to find more. So then it became a passion of mine. I got involved with, uh, a couple of teachers. I ended up [00:39:00] going to China that ordained in two lineages of Daoism. Um, kind of long story short, 'cause we could go on for hours. I'm very good at, uh, storytelling. And so here I am today, 30 plus, 36 years later, teaching people internal alchemy because I had to make sense of this.
Like, of course if you, if you go deeper in understanding the layers of self, I'm just reliving a life that I've had a thousand times over. And it's for me to experience this, this un unimaginable, unlimited state that returns everyone back to their, their greatest level of homeostasis. This holiness the holy stream.
And so Daoism, um, within that sense of internal alchemy, we refer to the knee. Knee done and Wade done coupling. You evoke and Ong is the internal power that you derives from that [00:40:00] chemical process. And so the more you understand how these things work, you're off to the races and pretty much there's nothing that cannot be achieved.
It's all about transmuting distortion, which is a lower sequential state of energy potential. The material, and we refer to this within DAOs me metaphysics as the highest point being the primordial mother. She's the void. She animates consciousness. Consciousness animates the she, the spirit. The spirit animates energy.
Energy animates the material world, the body, the lower distortion, different variables. What most people tend to do is they play between the material world and the energy, and they never really meet themselves where attention, intention. Generates what we call sheenang, which is spirit power. That arrives and then all of a sudden you are now able to create perfection, heaven on earth.
These [00:41:00] things arrive when you converge. Past, present, and future. There is, it's not subject to time and space. It's all just one stream. a make sense
Michelle: me. Um, hopefully for the listeners, but I mean, listen, you know, we have, um, Dr. Joe Dispenza doing a lot of this and, and, and creating research, really bridging the science and, and the spirituality. And this, it really comes down to that quantum, that void. That's the quantum, it's really coming to that place.
And I think that, uh, we, I think as a collective have been so conditioned to. Identify with the material, material world. So we're in this constant reaction and stuck into that same state because we're only reacting and responding to the material. Nothing else. And so this, uh, you were saying the energy and the material.
So I see this a lot in my own practice because I work with fertility and like, and, and so [00:42:00] many things landed when you were talking about even channeling. 'cause it's a form of channeling. And so where are those blocks? And I think those blocks can be ignored or not seen or like missed by many people because there's so, there're center of focus that kind of like we were talking about when you were first starting to train, you get so hyper-focused on that material, on that goal that you miss everything behind the scenes that's impacting what you're looking at.
And so, um. I always say, there's always that it really begins in that spiritual aspect that like, um, refined aspect of ourselves that we rarely pay attention to. And so getting that into that state of quietness like you've experienced when you were meditating, getting into that state or allowing ourselves that opportunity to experience that state of quietness.
And you look at all of, a lot of the ancient, um, [00:43:00] teachings and they all really come down to, and they always, always point us back to that void, that non-attachment. They say, don't get to attached. The more you get attached, you're consistently keeping yourself in that wheel. And I think about what you were talking about before, and I, when you're talking about that void, that kind of state, um, I see it as like the eye of the storm.
You can get yourself sucked into that, that circular wheel, or you can kind of go back into that. Void. And from a material aspect, the void feels like we're gonna lose everything. But that's really where we find our power. So it's kind of like, um, you, you almost can't look at it from a material perspective if you really want to gain that power because the material aspect it, which is like kind of where the ego, you know, that ego mind will always kind of teach [00:44:00] you or convince you that you're losing by doing that.
But we can't lose 'cause that's where we come from. We come from this glorious state that really has no words to describe it. So like that glorious state. It just is, it's kind of beneath everything else. And the only way we can really connect with it is really, uh, to detach and kind of get into that inward space of stillness.
That's kind of how I perceive it.
San: No, I agree with you. I mean, it, it's understanding the, the, the, the effects of. The exogenous trials of the finite mind, which has turned you into, you know, your Sherlock to your Watson, the human condition through the labyrinth of the finite, my mind coming out the other end as a human being that requires a level of [00:45:00] tenacity, uh, security, and then insecure states where you are, what we refer to as the selfishness to the selflessness requires the sacrifice.
And that sacrifice is a, a version of self that cannot be broken. So the version of self that cannot be broken is the very self that needs to go back into the wood chipper. So when you're looking at it from the perspective of just even, um, I just transcribed the DDI ching with lasu. A year and a half ago.
And so we, there's a, there's an actual 2024 version of the Ding that I channeled immediately from lasu. It's about 300 pages and it's like no other ta Tao de ching ding that you have ever read, read. And so I channel normally channel channel three to five, 600 page books in about a [00:46:00] day in some cases. And so, you know, I have about eight books right now that I'm just about to publish that are all in, in collaboration with lasu.
So I don't claim to know anything. I'm just, uh, you know, I'm as dumb as rocks and, and the information seems to flow inherently from the fact that I know nothing. And then you know everything. But when you let that be the true guiding force as you are the barometer. And so when you think you don't know, if you know, you feel it's more than a feeling.
Michelle: I'll be honest, I feel like, um, you know, it's interesting. I, I spoke to an intuitive years ago who was, I think she was the one that, um, won America's, uh, psychic challenge. She had passed away, Michelle White Dove. [00:47:00] Um, and she had mentioned that I have an Asian master and I feel like it could be lasu because I feel like I just get this stuff.
I naturally just. I just get it, it just makes sense to my mind. And um, it just makes sense. And I think part of it is, is really a, you know, as you're talking, I'm thinking, I'm really picturing in my mind somebody holding onto something in the material world, which is kind of the Ellucian, the illusionary world, um, holding on for dear life, thinking that that's going to protect them.
But the truth is it's just not, it's, it's an illusion. So we're kind of like holding onto an illusion. I think that that's where people get stuck and that's how our bodies get stuck. And we talk about channeling, um, I work with fertility and you know, that's a channeling of the body channeling to connect.
Sometimes I have my patients and my clients [00:48:00] channel and connect with the spirit babies and that. I see it all the time. I see the connection that they have. I see the signs that they get and the signs that they get relay into what really happens to the point where two of my stories were connected to birth dates of their babies, the future babies, and it was, I mean, I witness it because I'm there with them through the process before they even get pregnant.
So I can attest to it. I'm a witness and I see those things happening, but the moment they start to get become a channel or they get into the state of channeling, they not only only open themselves up to the information, but in so doing, because you know it's spirit, you know, energy body, they're also impacting their bodies and closely near to that, sometimes it could be about nine months.
For it to really [00:49:00] manifest into a pregnancy. But I, I see it and I really love hearing you talk because I think that, of course I had my Chinese medicine perspective and I work a lot on nutrition and, but I've always been really drawn to the spiritual aspect of it. And I feel like as I'm talking to you, it's inspiring me to really step into that as a practitioner and to really kind of like lean on that aspect as well.
Because I feel like that if you, if you really master that, and I don't think we can ever fully master it, but if we really connect to that, I think that that, um, that's really the source. So everything else is secondary.
San: Mm. Yeah, I mean, you're a hundred percent. I mean, I have a lot of students, most of them are doctors of, of just medicine or doctors of Chinese medicine. I mean, the problem is, is it doesn't, it doesn't, it's not [00:50:00] cohesive until you meet the energy you meet yourself. So all this other stuff is like a, a little bit of an enhancement of who you really are.
When you return to the secret source, the holy stream, all that other stuff becomes realized and recognized as a remedy. You have to be able to hold the charge. The biggest problem is, is the, the inadequacy and the, the, the part that people like to spiritual bypass. They're very, they're very essence. So they want to go straight to, uh, you know, many of my students of Brahman, 20 year transmitters of high consciousness, cosmic consciousness, all this kind of stuff.
And I think it's fantastic. But then the hubcaps come off the wheels. The body cannot hold the charge that you are emanating as the tuning fork. The bio field, the actual physicality is, the lens is not a whole. So it's undercooked. [00:51:00] It's never overcooked. So most people pull in an inversion. So for, for the purposes of Daoism, you know, is the inversion, the inverted effects, right?
Yong is the x. Extra exponential expansion of, so when you meet those two energies, that's when you
arrive. Being able to not dominate, but regulate and then converge them as one. So most people that become intuitive or more in their intuitive self and less in their intellectual self become corrupted because they pull that and they invert that energy so ness, the absorption, all colors.
Yong is the admission of all colors. That's it from a DAOs perspective. Now, when we get layers of things like, you know, from me as a priest, you know, I teach people everything from, you [00:52:00] know, understanding about all levels of DAOs magic and being able to remedy it, whether it's an exorcism or dispelling black magic, whatever.
It's all part and parcel. This whole path and everything returns back to a, a consensus of one stream. And so people get overwhelmed and most, um, psychics and mediums become exhausted. They sell their soul. They, they expend their life force. We refer to it as jing, their constitution, the power that they have, that they were born into, this, their embryonic self that takes that first breath, that then engages the primordial mother's creation of Yong, which is the flesh. Now we get down with it, and I, you know, for most people, I've never seen anyone at a hundred percent when they're, when they come into a [00:53:00] material state of body, yet. Even at 80%, the whole point of Dao alchemy is to teach you to bring your, your physical body to a hundred percent, from a hundred percent to a thousand percent, from a thousand percent to 9000%.
Then we are embodying and emanating what we refer to as immortality crystallized in the material. Heaven on earth has arrived. You are now the, the evidence of longevity and this life force is being charged and maintained as a so holy stream. This is where magic takes place. This is where serendipitous synchronistic moments are unrivaled.
They are absolute. The absolute is where you're talking about arriving. It's not a subjective absolute where you need to run in the other direction. My football team's the greatest. No, it's an absolute universal sense of self [00:54:00] that does not require your participation. What? No, the finite mind, your need to lead the charge is unnecessary.
Take a back seat. Anyone that wants to dismantle their personality, they need to be forewarned. It's a mistake. Recognize that I like chocolate bon bonds. I drive my side by side of the desert a hundred miles an hour, and unfortunately I'm deficient enough to watch Netflix and pay for it, but that is not who I am.
So that is the fruit and the, the, the chocolate syrup on top of your, to experience this humanistic expression, I have never met a miracle, a supernatural, paranormal, supernormal experience with any form of identity. The convergence of past, present, and future arrive [00:55:00] with nothing. And so. My normal processes is I have people, many, my, a lot of people come to me, grandma's in a coma, and you know you are that guy.
They tell me, you can help me. Boom. No, grandma's not gonna die. She's gonna come outta the coma. Next day she comes outta the coma. The doctors are like,
what happened? She was in critical condition and ready to die. No, I had a communication with her. She said she just needed more love and support from her family.
She had no reason to continue this path. And with this, this union of family and this message, she came right back out to play. Now, this is very common for me. I've been doing this for 30 years, and so miracles are very normal. Seeing weird things like gaseous seal before my eyes, tumors disappear. Um.
Healings immediately. And some of the most [00:56:00] profound healings that I've witnessed. Everything from someone at the verge of having a C-section, right? And in five seconds the baby about face, just with a communication and boom, that it's an arrival. That happens not too fast 'cause minutes is like you're gonna get, you're gonna get razor burn from that.
But very short order where someone's been basically holding on in labor due to their own fear. And then their lack of communication with the baby is where you tend to find, you know, resistance and then all of a sudden, boom, you have an arrival. Takes little to no time or communicating and transitioning someone who has really come to the end of the road.
And so from that. You. You see miracles as, as the whole energy system [00:57:00] shuts down, and then they arrive and as a greater sense of self filling out the space, filling out the room, filling their loved ones with this joy and happiness and love, that was part of who they really were as a humanistic expression. And so all that is just part of a normal day in the office as a doers priest. Yay. So good to be me.
Michelle: I mean, it's really amazing stuff. And I will say, um, because I've been such a, I guess, a student of Dr. Joe Dispenza for many years. I've gone to so many of his, um, retreats. I, I am fascinated by how he bridges it into like, you know, actual, as much tangible as possible, but it, you know, you can only do so much when you're talking about the quantum and something that's, um, that is not tangible by nature.
And so I find that everything you're talking about really like, is very similar to the experiences [00:58:00] that they have there, which is you kind of jump timelines. And, uh, you go into a completely different reality and people come in with tumors and they come out without, or they come in with wheelchairs and they come out walking.
And I, I've seen them right in front of me in the audience. It's really remarkable. So, and his, um, I guess theory because he says, you know, I can only kind of measure what we have, but I can't say why, per se. I could just tell you my theory. And the way he sees it is it is, you know, you're going into this quantum and part of what he says, you go into nothing.
You go into nothing. Like you completely take away the identification. As you're talking about that, I think about the listeners of this podcast who. Frequently, frequently go to doctors and are given so many labels and identifications and, um, you're infertile or this can't happen for you, or you're, you have no eggs, or, you know, all these [00:59:00] ideas that really get into their minds and seep into their subconscious minds.
And, um, but I've had so many stories that completely defy that and defy the predictions that they've been given. And it's, it's pretty wild. But when you say identification, I think Wow. Like that, that's probably one of the biggest things is so many people end up identifying with really their diagnosis, which be they don't really know better, they just go to the doctor for that information. And then when they, I think a lot of them end up feeling intuitively, hmm. Maybe this isn't really my path. Like that's typically what I'll see is people feeling that and then finding me, or finding you, or finding people like us, I think because they, they feel something within them. Say, maybe there's something more to this whole journey.
Maybe there's something [01:00:00] bigger. Maybe there's some kind of intelligence. Maybe there's some way that I can figure this out. Like, and I think that that's, that is a very real thing, but because it is so subtle, we can often mistake it for just a thought and something random.
San: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, evidence is the true Remedy elementary, my Dear Watson deduction and recognizing that, you know, um, that divine spark is that real seed that creates a level of awareness that turns into, um. Inquiry. An inquiry then blossoms into curiosity. Curiosity feeds the very essence of self. That becomes a belief system. And so that belief system is only met with evidence. And you can go [01:01:00] either way on that. You know, you can feed the system something that is repeatable, that is met with your subjective reality that may not serve you or the community or others, but you are still getting evidence of that. You know, I'm a miserable person and it shows, so it's like I am a positive person.
And it shows you don't, the simplicity of
Michelle: I am a magical person and it shows. Yeah, it's like a, the superhero, you know, that's like the, yeah.
San: And you don't recognize how, how simple that is, that you are the master keeper, creator of your reality. And, uh, you only wanna take ownership when you have given, you've been given the hallmark version of self where, oh yeah, okay, this is considered good. This is, uh, you know, enchanted. This is charming, this is blessed, this is blissful.
This is [01:02:00] joy. This is harmony, this is happiness. This is love, love being the most subjective thing out there. And yet people tend to think, oh, well, it's a universe. It's, it's only universal. Once you meet that moment. Until then, it could be razor blades and bunny rabbits and unicorns and, you know, uh, cloud farts.
Who knows? It just varies until you recognize that the sim, the power of Daoist alchemy is this. We refine it down to the universe doesn't have a moral compass. The true essence of the cosmos is the convergence of the sun, the earth, the moon from an alchemical perspective, and you evoke the primordial mother within you are heaven on earth.
That cosmos is the very expression of the physicality. And you show yourself, your harmonious version will show you that as the barometer of the tuning fork, the, the imperium, the dominion, the maestro to the [01:03:00] very soundtrack of self. And that is derived from meeting that moment. And that moment comes in all different types of forms, but you will find it because you are searching as a seeker, that will become your reality as you continue the path one foot after another.
I always find, um, you know, dispenser, very thought evoking and sometimes interesting and then a. A little, little bit, uh, you know, dismissing when, when you say mystifying the mystical, it, it, it almost just gives you a, a free ticket. It's like, Hey, look, you're a meth head, but not today.
Michelle: Mm-hmm.
San: You have to recognize that you want to make this a formula, which I agree with is a method to the madness.
But understand that [01:04:00] everyone's origin story, even though they may swear by the, the atheism or whatever it is that they believe, the nihilism, the uh, the delusion, whatever you are at there, is still an origin story that goes deeper. And if you keep looking, you will find it. And it generally doesn't come from scientism.
Scientism is a, is a byproduct of something greater. So, you know, scientism.
Michelle: I agree with you. It can you know, you know, and so there's so much magic that comes out of what he puts together. And then on the other side of the coin, if you're listening to the linguistics, there's a, a double negative there. You know, when he talks about the work, there's no such thing in Daoism.
San: Work doesn't exist. It's an effortless action that derives true mastery.
Michelle: But not everybody's ready to hear that. I think that that's where
San: Oh, of course not.[01:05:00]
Michelle: He's able to bridge people that are still very much identified with the material world and bridge them in an easy way. And then maybe after that they can go into another level of, you know, the, the depth.
San: Well, well, I think the biggest rub for me is when you, when you, when you harpoon the word work, and for me, I, I'm not a fan of it. I teach people this stuff. I'm, you know, body language and understanding deeper layers of self all the way through to. Neurolinguistic programming, or if you want me to erase your name and have you see me as Justin Bieber, we can do that.
That's a lot of fun. But that's not, this is a, an iteration that you, you are slipping into a state and so everything is a state, everything is a variable. You have conditioned yourself very well. You sit into a trance very well, and you've been doing that through most of this conversation. You go right into the energy, and I mean, if, if [01:06:00] the audience looks close enough, you are, you are replicating the infinity pattern from the energy that's moving through your body as we're speaking to you, and you don't even recognize that.
It's, it's a, it's, it's cyclical and it's cycling and the pacing and leading is showing itself through the body. So, you know, divination. More commonly for all my, uh, hypnogogic, uh, ma grand masters of, of something called trance or hypnosis. It's a dirty word. I don't really care to use it, it doesn't really mean much.
But I mean, this is a deeper state of, uh, you know, idio motor response. This is where you are getting information from the unconscious through the body, and you can get that through tarot cards, uh, you know, dowsing, forks, um, you know, Ouija boards, you name it. You will get a message that will show you something greater, a pendulum.[01:07:00]
The simplicity as of the pendulum master testing, it will all bring you back to that point. And so. Idio motor returns to idio Grahams, which seem to be a common thing that a lot of my remote viewer friends like to use to teach people this type of state. Um, you know, body Dowsing is a, is an, an ancient da art form and I teach people how to use that in a much higher level where, you know, my favorite trick is taking someone to hundred.
I'm out here in Las Vegas, so I'll take 'em to a, some crappy hotel with a 5,000 rooms like the MGM Grand. Give 'em a quarter, go and put it somewhere in the hotel and then I'll come back and go, yeah, good luck finding that one. Little do they know, they're a, a walking emanated state of all information that I see through their body and I just use them as a tuning fork and take me right back to the coin.
They freak out and go, how is that possible? [01:08:00] I'm not touching them because that's a little archaic, sort of like ProGlide ish, but it's still muscle testing. You, you could put your hand on their, their wrist and use that as a, a more stiffer version. A, a, a higher level of mastery. I don't need that. And it's just a matter of conditioning.
Everyone can be conditioned 'cause I teach my students all this, but furthermore, it's a, it's a learned experience. That's part of the alchemy. It's another level of sensory perception. It's not just limited to me. This, I would just say it really clearly. This shit has been around for thousands of years.
It's been handed down from generation. Millions of people have used it before us. So why do I need to reinvent the wheel? I just use the mechanisms within the alchemy that are so powerful and they literally turn you into a superstar when it comes to. You know, consciousness, you are on another level,
Michelle: it's so wild. I, I feel [01:09:00] like I need to have you back for not just one more, two more episodes. 'cause I feel like we're just scratching the surface and there's just so many things that we can talk about. Um, so future, you know, it might be good to, you know, come back and then have more conversations.
'cause we're just really scratching the surface and, um, there's just so much to talk about and I love talking about this kind of subject. Um, it's just, it, it's so vast and I've always, I think even as, uh, somebody young, I always like resisted, I guess maybe, you know, it's my intelligence somewhere in play.
Anything that. Defined me too much. And I think that that was just, and I get very, um, I notice that when my patients come and tell me that, like their doctors define them in certain ways, I get, I find, find myself. It's a trigger for me. I'm like, no. So, because I know that there's more, I just feel like there's something much more vast, and the second we [01:10:00] start to really confine ourselves, that's when we limit our expression.
And, um, yeah, we can go on and on. There's so many things that I wanna talk about, but I, I would like to maybe have you back, but for people listening and who are really curious about everything that you've shared or interested in learning more about this subject matter and are also interested in working with you somehow, how can people find you?
What are your offerings?
San: Sure, sure. So I, I have a website called I, uh, i immortal DAUs rights.com. And through that I offer a number of different, um. Our chemical remedies for things, um, you can find what you're looking for, uh, all different types of stuff. And if you're, you're, you are, uh, in inclined to want to pursue more as a student, I have an application form, people can reach out and, you know, there's so much greater enriched [01:11:00] experiences that once you find yourself, there are no limits.
And so you need to embody what we speak of and that requires a method. And the sooner you get that out of the way and you start just resonating on your true elixir, immortal, elixir resonance, magical things take place. And that's just through conditioning. I hate to break it to people. It's like all this powerful sensory perception will be yours.
It's not limited to one person who has one gift. You just have to go through the conditioning process. And that's where people freak out because once they start to turn the energetic architecture on all bits are off. I, I attribute it. It's, it's quite simple. Imagine you're driving down the street in your car.
I tell you to pull over to the side of the road. You get out of your car, but your, your car is still idling on the side of the road. Once you activate the ong [01:12:00] within yourself, the merging of way down and knee down, you have a process that doesn't require your participation. So that system is always on, it's always operating, it's always emanating, and that's where your resonance precedes you.
When you walk into a room like the old expression, you are. Your, uh, reputation procedure, your resonance procedure, people just instantly get poured into that stream that you are emanating as your baseline default self as you acquire it, so you can go to immortal DAOs rights. Furthermore, you can, uh, uh, find, uh, me on the way one 20 six.com.
I have a podcast way, 1 26, um, podcast on YouTube. If you're looking to up your. Chemical processing. You are not so interested in specific DAOs path. I developed an app through lasu that is basically, [01:13:00] um, a zero to a hero where you master your emotions in, uh, a, a short order within, there's two years worth of training, but most people that are, you know, someone that are sick and tired of being entrapped in their mind, prison, they'll have a mastery of their own emotions within nine, nine weeks, where you will literally move your emotions like an icon on a computer screen.
That's where people want to be. They want to meet that moment and find that power, and it's all for you to discover. That's the exciting part, as I would always tell people, we have Yes, it's a, life is exciting when you, when you really, uh, free yourself, you know, outside of the confines and then see things as really working for us. 'cause I think everything kind of, uh, reflects to us what we need to open up. But, um, it's wonderful to have teachers like you and having really that method because I think that that's where people don't really know where to begin.
Michelle: So, [01:14:00] thank you so much Ing. I really am excited to have you back 'cause I, of course, I have so many things to talk about, but we can only limit it to, you know, the time that we have. But thank you so much for coming on today.
San: Thank you for inviting me. I was very, very grateful to be here.