Ep 383 A New Way to Freeze Your Eggs: Retreats, Community, and Holistic Care
On today’s episode of The Wholesome Fertility Podcast, I am joined by Aliza Virani (@thefertilitycoliving), founder of The Fertility Co-Living, to explore a completely new approach to egg freezing that combines medical care, holistic wellness, and community. Aliza shares her personal journey through egg freezing, including the emotional challenges, high financial costs, and lack of support she experienced. After spending thousands of dollars on a cycle that resulted in only a few eggs, she knew there had to be a better way, which led her to create a retreat-style experience where women can go through egg freezing together while receiving both clinical and holistic support.
In this episode, we discuss the true cost of egg freezing in North America, why more women are choosing to go abroad, and how integrating nervous system regulation, nutrition, and community can improve both the experience and outcomes. This is a powerful conversation that brings a more human, supported, and intentional approach to fertility care.
Key Takeaways:
Egg freezing in North America can cost up to $20,000 per cycle.
Many women feel isolated and unsupported during the process.
Going abroad can significantly reduce costs and improve access.
Holistic practices may support egg quality and overall outcomes.
Nervous system regulation plays a key role in fertility health.
Community support can transform the emotional experience.
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Speaker: [00:00:00] Episode number 383 of the Wholesome Fertility Podcast. Welcome to the Wholesome Fertility Podcast. I'm your host, Michelle Orvi, and today I am joined by Elisa Verani, founder of the Fertility Co-Living, a retreat style experience that combines medical care, holistic wellness, and community for women freezing their eggs abroad after going through her own difficult and costly egg freezing experience in Canada, which resulted in just three eggs.
Aliza knew there had to be a better way. In this episode, we talk about the emotional, financial, and physical realities of egg freezing. Why more women are choosing to do it abroad and how bringing together community nervous system support and holistic care can completely transform the experience. This is such a unique and needed conversation, and I'm so excited to share it with you.
[00:01:00] Welcome to the Wholesome Fertility Podcast. I'm Michelle, a fertility acupuncturist here to provide you with resources on how to create a wholesome approach to your fertility journey.
Michelle: Welcome to the podcast, Aliza. I'm so happy to have you finally.
So your whole business and your whole story is so interesting to me. I don't know that I've had anybody really on the podcast before with this particular topic. it seems very needed. So for people listening, I would love for you to share your story and how you got into the work that you're doing right now as far as helping, women with egg freezing and
Aliza: Yeah, absolutely. So my story started about three years ago. I'm 36 now, and at 33 I froze my eggs in Vancouver, Canada, where I was, born and raised, and. [00:02:00] I felt the whole process was quite emotional, isolating. I felt that I wasn't as informed as I could have been, and ultimately I ended up with three eggs, and so that was.
Really disheartening also because I had spent close to about what was $16,000 at the time. Now the same process is $18,000 plus $750 per year on storage. So about $20,000, for, you know, a very emotional process as well as only resulting in three eggs. and so. I thought there had to be a better way. there were so many gaps in, there are so many gaps in fertility care.
I mean, science technology have come such a far way for egg freezing and IVF treatments, but we constantly hear about this, Of grief that comes up for women. And egg freezing at the time had been marketed as something [00:03:00] that was super empowering. That's something you did because you were taking control of your fertility and control of your future, which when I went through the process, didn't feel that way at all.
There was a lot of grief in it. It actually felt like my back was up against a wall. I was single. you know, I had this a MH level that was kind of like I was told was. Was average to low and it would be really good to freeze my eggs as fast as I can. And then of course, the financial factor came in where I had to pull all this money outta, in my early thirties, money that was, you know, being saved for other things.
And so I started looking at, at that time my doctor, I do feel like I've kind of done this in a really long-winded way. Is there, do you want me to.
Michelle: Oh, no, you're No, no, it's fine. I, I actually like a lot of information.
Aliza: and so, so obviously because I got three eggs, my doctor did recommend that I do an [00:04:00] additional cycle. And so I started looking at options abroad because I couldn't afford to do multiple cycles in Vancouver where it was, you know, 16 to $20,000 per cycle. And I looked at all the different countries in the world because I am, you know, I've been remotely working for the last eight years and I was able to travel anywhere. And had I known that I needed multiple cycles upfront, I think I would've looked abroad to begin with, but. I wasn't informed on that process based on my testing, and so I ended up honing on Mexico for a number of reasons. And during this time I also had gone through a major health crisis, so I had.
Experienced extreme pain in my eyes, neuralgia. And that meant that I had basically what felt like acid in my eyes, that spread through my head, down the side of my face, into my neck, and into my shoulders [00:05:00] constantly. Every time I blinked and I had quit my job, I had flown around the world to see, you know, every doctor and specialist possible out of pocket.
Sent around $70,000. I was, my nervous system was like a complete mess. But, you know, I didn't even really know what the nervous system was at at that point in time. And I was just so fixated that this was, you know, a physical issue and eventually, I got, help in, you know, in the US with a specialized doctor, but the doctor in America and the doctor in Canada didn't really connect and my case kind of was super complex and fell through the cracks, which, resulted in me losing part of my vision in my left eye.
And so.
Michelle: Oh.
Aliza: quite defeated, burnt out at that point in time. I started doing things that I rolled my eyes at the year before, things that people had recommended to me. Some people had recommended to me or I had heard about, but I didn't think would really [00:06:00] move the needle on my medical condition. I thought they were just things that would help me mentally feel better.
And there were things that, We're like acupuncture things like meditation, things like, you know, addressing the nervous system and breath work and a lot of the work that you know you address in your podcast with your guests. And slowly but surely, I started to feel better. the pain starts to subside and though I don't have like some sort of miracle story with, you know, my vision magically came back, the pain did start to feel better. So I decided that I didn't want to do any, go forward with any medical process ever again, if not in a holistic way. So addressing the emotional and the spiritual, aspects to
Michelle: Yeah.
Aliza: And, lo and behold, the work that I did on my eyes over two years resulted in my fertility levels. So my a MH rising by 84%, years later.
Michelle: That's [00:07:00] incredible. That's a, that's a significant number. I'm sure a lot of people are loving hearing this right now.
Aliza: I had already began these egg freezing retreats where I had started to build something that I wanted and then I went to a digital nomad conference where I just said to women there, you know, I wasn't a plan speaker or anything. It was kind of like an unconference, what is what they called them.
And I said, look, I've done all this research on, egg freezing abroad. In different countries and the regulations and rules and things you should ask. So how to vet your clinics if anybody wants to attend, like it's just free information. I'd like to share. 25 women showed up of that. 22 women signed up on my email list when I offered them.
Let me see if I can negotiate as a group discount with the clinic. And of those, half of the women once said that they would wanna live together while doing it. And that's how our group Egg Freezing retreat started. And. Yeah, so that's how it's centered around holistic [00:08:00] health, infertility, as well as these group egg freezing retreats.
And now we're building something that, as you said, is really, its first of its kind.
Michelle: That's amazing. So that's so cool. I, I just love the whole idea of retreats and I'll be honest, I think that we don't know anything as far as the power of community, like the power of community heals you, like physically you can really. So much better. And I do think that there are some, studies that were more like group, therapy.
There's something about groups in community that is extremely, extremely powerful. So I, I love the idea of people coming together, going through a very challenging time and supporting, themselves and each other at the same time. That to me is just such a
Aliza: Yeah. I think like even we've had a participant in our last retreat say, you know, this was a process that I thought I would [00:09:00] feel. It was difficult and I'd feel overwhelmed with, but for some reason my nervous system is even calmer than it is normally. And it is really the power of community. Like I often tell the women, another reason why I believe this is so important to do with other women is because a lot of these women are single, though not all of them. And you know, this is your first step to parenthood, to motherhood, and you know.
Science and technology are great. They've come so far for us and they're allowing women to, you know, get pregnant older and help women that have low ovarian reserves also, you know, attain motherhood. But we are women. We are the creators of life.
You know, we push the human race forward and we can't forget that these aren't just clinical appointments where you go in and you leave and you go in and you leave. And that's the first step of
Michelle: Yes, it's sacred.
Aliza: It's
Michelle: more sacred than that.
Aliza: than that, and I think we are like giving our power away to [00:10:00] just,
Michelle: It's like we're sacred beings. having a clinical experience, you
Aliza: And we're getting so excited about the tech that we're operating in the same system that we do everything else in this modern world, like in and out, in and out. Like just operationally, like productivity. How can I optimize, how can I optimize? When, if we can just take a second, invest some time into this process, make it a spiritual process, and you know.
if you can't do it with a partner, then why not do it with A group of other women?
Like what's more sacred than that?
Michelle: A hundred percent. That is so cool. So let's break it down. a couple of things that you were talking about. We're different locations, going out of the country to get treatment. What are some of the things that you've seen or some places that were really good? I mean, I personally hear a lot about Spain.
I think that their technology is really good. It is less expensive. but I'm sure you've dug into it a lot more. So, so do tell.
Aliza: I chose Mexico [00:11:00] for a few reasons, and yes, some of the hotspots for fertility treatments are Spain, Greece, the Czech Republic. And of course Mexico. I chose Mexico personally because of its proximity to the US and Canada, which are some of the countries with the highest, costs for fertility treatments.
So women can still obviously co-work and like still work while they're, while they're down there, if they choose to. I also chose it because of its established reputation in medical tourism. there's a lot of Americans and Canadians that are already very familiar with Mexico and go down there for other treatments just because of the high cost of medical treatment in America, as well as the wait times in Canada.
they are bilingual. The clinic I chose is, uses, It, it uses amazing technology. Its standards are, very rigorous and up against the European standards, and so their success rates, I looked at the success rates of each clinic as well, and so that's why I chose this specific clinic. [00:12:00] And then we come to like rules and regulations and laws.
So in Mexico you can actually have closed or open donors, donors, which means that you can get to know your donor, if you choose after 18. as well as they have really strong, You know, they're very open to L-G-B-T-Q couples, as well as single motherhood. And, they also have sex selection.
So that's something that only is available in the US and in Mexico. So if you want a family plan, you have three boys and you want a girl, or you have three girls want a boy, you can do that in Mexico. And then, And then also our clinic uses the European sperm bank. So that was something I also thought was important in case you wanted a, you were a single mother and you wanted a donor that was like from a different background.
And then finally, of course, Mexico because of its retreat vibes. You know, we associated as Canadians and, and Americans as, Somewhere we go to like retreat and relax and unplug. And so the warm weather and [00:13:00] things like that. I did consider Spain and Spain does have very affordable treatments. Its standard of care is really great.
Its regulations are really great. It has, it's laws and regulations for donors are, they only allow closed donors. So that was one thing. You can't choose, you can't have sex selection there either. Although most countries in the world, you can't have that. The last thing was affordability. And so the treatment is affordable in Spain, but everything else isn't.
And so we have nurses come to the house. We have acupuncture and massage therapy. We, you know, girls are ordering Uber Eats to their house, they're taking taxis. Things to make you feel more comfortable during the process weren't affordable in Spain. And so I wanted to make this whole process a little bit more affordable, a little bit more comfortable, and that was suited for
Michelle: Yeah. That's so cool. well, Mexico's beautiful, that's for sure. It definitely has retreat vibe. So, so as far as, just describe really what it is like for somebody who's, [00:14:00] thinking about doing it. Like what is the whole process really from, from
Aliza: Yeah, so we offer, you know, complimentary discovery calls where you meet with me and, we kind of go through. Where you are in egg freezing, what we offer at the fertility co-living from the discovery call, we then, connect you to the medical clinic. You get your testing done,
Michelle: Hmm
Aliza: we invite you into our container.
So once you've. Signed up with us. We guide you through the whole process from start to finish. And we really wanna take the pressure off women. Like there's so many things you're already thinking about. So once you're invited into our container, we guide you through what tests you need to get, which ones you need to do in order, which ones you need to do, like now to decide if egg freezing is, if you're a candidate for egg freezing, and which ones can kind of wait till after you've, you know, already paid your deposit and you're a little bit closer to the retrieval process.
And then three months prior to the. Actual retreat. We, we have, you [00:15:00] have, in our container. We have two webinars with our doctors. We also have two meeting greets with your cohort. We invite you into the WhatsApp group so that you meet the other women that will be in your retreat. We give you nutritional guidance, we send you podcast recommendations, and nervous system support so that you are preparing your body.
Fully, and of course supplementation and things like that. So you're preparing your body fully for by three months in advance to the retreat. And that's because, you know, the maturation, the egg maturation cycle is a hundred days prior to retrieval. And so we wanna make sure your, your body the best quality eggs, you know.
The medical community really focuses on quantity because they don't feel like there's a lot of control over quality. And what we focus on is no matter how many eggs you get, let's try and make sure that they're all of good quality. And how do you do that through? Nutrition, good sleep, increasing positive emotions, acupuncture, blood flow, all of these kind of more, intangible, intangible [00:16:00] aspects.
And so then after our container, we obviously, you come to the retreat. The retreat is three weeks long. and so the first week is basically, we do, like you introduce to your group, you move in and we introduce you to the clinic and you start your stimulations. And so a day in the retreat might look like.
In the morning, the nurses come to the co-living, they do the injections for you, or they can guide you on how you do them if you wanna do them yourself. Then the girls make breakfast together or they go out for brunch together. Some of them are working, some of them are not. Some of them are taking a lighter schedule.
some of them go do like tourist things around Mexico City and the afternoon might be filled with like fertility appointments as our clinic sees you every other, every second day and. or acupuncture. We have red light therapy in house and, massage therapy. Then in the evening, we either have like yoga or sound bath.
We have movie nights. and then the women usually have dinner together and then, [00:17:00] you know, they, they go to sleep. So the first week is really, move in and injection stimulation start. The women don't really feel anything during this week. It's like a great week. We have like, we have the schedule quite packed with like, things to do and sites to see and you know, we, we get really, we, we kind of, it's a vacation and then the second week is when women start to really feel the, the, like, the effects of the, of the hormone injections.
Kind of like. Mentally, emotionally and physically, they're a little bit more heavier, a little bit more bloated, and so we recommend a lighter schedule during this time. By the end of the second week, you're going into your retrieval, or by early third week by the, sorry, by the beginning of the third week. Once your retrieval is done, every woman will have four to seven days in our retreat to fully recover. And so that means all retrievals are done before our retreat, long before our retreat ends. And that leaves room for any complications. Any women that wanna take extra time to rest. Or we've had women that, were completely [00:18:00] fine after their retrieval, and it turns into a one we call holiday in Mexico City, where they're going up a hot, hot air balloon over the pyramids.
And so that's kind of the overview on, the, the container, the prep towards the retreat, and then the retreat itself.
Michelle: So it sounds like there's like really three major parts. there's one before the three month prep, right? Just where you're doing the testing. So how long, before the actual, retreat where you're in person is that, is is the beginning to
Aliza: our deadlines to sign up for the retreat are four months in advance, and that's because we really wanna encourage to get the full experience. You are part of that three month prep container. It's crucial to make sure that, you're giving these eggs your best shot, they are the future children of you.
They're all, it's also a very expensive process, although we can talk about the costs as well. and so that's why we really, encourage women to sign up four months in advance So we can get them started on that three month prep. [00:19:00] Prior to that, women would wanna have their, you know, their blood work done, their ultrasound done, so they can make sure that they are a candidate.
Have their consult with the medical doctors, that are, that, that can make sure that there's no like, major objections to, to egg freezing for them.
Michelle: So if that was the case, they wouldn't really be committed, if something wasn't right. Correct. Like, so, and then my other question is, how do they align them? Do they give them birth control pills? Because I know sometimes they'll, they'll control the hormones that way to get
Aliza: Yeah, it's a great question. Yeah, so we do use syncy. We do synco cycle sync through birth control. it is a tricky one with people and I like to be upfront about it and, you know, even I've had my personal. Relationship with birth control. we, but we put them on for 21 days. And there's different birth controls that are recommended to you based on if you have PCOS, if you have [00:20:00] endometriosis, if you have an IUD in and so the doctor will go through u. Who go through that with you, but everybody starts and stops birth control on the same day. Our WhatsApp chat is like, you know, our group WhatsApp chat is like, people are talking like if it, some people it doesn't affect at all because 21 days is quite short and usually side effects happen.
side effects can happen after that.
Michelle: Correct. It's, it's, insignificant. I, I agree. I'm, I'm not like a big fan of long-term use for birth control. I've been on it myself. I just know that it can like really impact kind of the hormonal, balance of the body. How, if it's longer, but if it's short, it's, it's really like not. Nothing I would worry about, and I'm very
Aliza: Yeah. So I mean, it's something I had to do for my cycle, even though I didn't do it in a group. They tend to try to prime you so they can also schedule you, in as well. So it's how we, bring everybody together and then we schedule it so that the women. Are arriving three days [00:21:00] before their period starts, and so this process.
Michelle: That sounds so interesting. And so it's really, it sounds like, obviously you're, you're also organizing everything for people so that they don't have to feel like they have the headache. You're really making it streamlined. and then you're re bringing all the different aspects of like the whole holistic aspect, the community aspect, things that they can do for their nervous system, like really coming together and, and feeling that support.
so that's, it's a really cool. Like idea, it's really very
Aliza: Yeah.
it is. It's really a one stop shop so that women can kind of sign up with us And then they don't have to think about it again. Because I do feel like with egg freezing, particularly women are like, they tend to procrastinate on it because it's not this immediate problem. the way IVF is, it's like, oh, okay, I, with IVF, it's like, we wanna have this child now, we'll immediately know our with egg freezing, it's.
That that's a problem that, you know, maybe will be a problem for me. And I have, you know, there's always something [00:22:00] better to spend $20,000 on. So we're trying to make it more accessible, more affordable, and less of a hassle for women to sign on and say, okay, let's do these hard things together.
Michelle: And the planning process for, if people are working, all they'll really need to do is take three
Aliza: Yep. And they can, they can still, you know, work while they're there. If they can work remotely. We recommend a lighter schedule, but we'll also recommend. This time that they should really take off.
And there's a couple days that we will recommend that, and then they get our full retreat schedule a month in advance.
So if there's things they really wanna participate in, like for example, we visit the Frida Ka Museum or we go to Chipotle Park, or we do different things around the city that are like very, like gentle and egg freezing, friendly, like gonna co.
Michelle: Yeah, I love that. Like freezing
Aliza: you know, when I egg froze, my friends were like, do you wanna come out?
And it's like, no, I don't wanna come out. I'm the middle of this, you know, egg freezing process.
Michelle: yeah, yeah, yeah, [00:23:00] yeah. Of
Aliza: you know, so
Michelle: It's a lot. Yeah,
Aliza: that's in nature, you know, like really aligned with this process. And, so we provide those schedules and then they can decide if they can join or not join us.
It's really as much or as little as you wanna participate in. And each girl has their own room and their own bathroom if they choose. and so, you know, you can retreat as much as you want into your own space.
Michelle: And how often do you guys plan these?
Aliza: we launched last year, we did two retreats, and right now our next retreat is, set for September. So September 6th to the 27th. And we are currently, you know, accepting, women into the cohort. we don't have another one planned yet beyond that, so we kind of go as they come right now. but we'll probably be looking at November and then again in January, 2027.
Michelle: Is there usually a limit, to how many people you
Aliza: Yes, there is. so September is gonna have eight women in it, and that's just to help keep [00:24:00] the,
The experience quite intimate. There's also a lot of sharing that happens. So anything beyond, you know, 10 women can. You're not really giving them the space to share fully all the time because it can get quite long, these experiences.
And we have a retreat facilitator, and she lives in house with all the women. She also picks the women up from their, from their, retrieval and, she's there in case anything, you know, the, the women need anything at any point. We have a really close relationship with our clinic. It's, this isn't like.
This isn't a sort of a referral with our clinic. This is like a joint partnership where they really believe and put the effort in what we're also building. And So.
we're very proud to be partnered with F Integral, not just for like. Their clinical excellence, but just for how much they believe in holistic health.
And so if anything happens, or any woman, like we had a girl that put her medications in the freezer instead of the fridge and you know, they ubered [00:25:00] new medications over to us.
Michelle: Oh, That's nice.
Aliza: everyone from the nurse to the CEO on WhatsApp. And that's really nice. as well because you don't have that kind of support when you're just like a number at a clinic.
You know, maybe somewhere else.
Michelle: I hear stories all the time. It's it's crazy. Yeah, it's definitely not a very, hands on, like, it feels very, difficult for a lot of people where they, they sort of, don't get the right. Support or, things, actually, a lot of mistakes get made, so I totally hear the whole process could be
Aliza: Yeah. definitely. I mean, I left my, trigger shot when I froze my eggs in my trunk on a hot day and it was supposed to be in the fridge and I left it there for eight hours and I called the office and, it was like we don't respond to calls after five. And it how do you not, I
Michelle: Yeah,
Aliza: So much money for this [00:26:00] process.
How is 70, not it
Michelle: it should be. It should be concierge at that point.
Aliza: It just blows in mind that you're paying so much money for this and then there's so many gaps in care and these are private things. You know, it actually, there's, it just, it's just another reason. Yeah.
there was just so many parts of this process that needed to be improved.
For me, honestly, when people ask me like, how did you, it was like, it was so obvious, you know? It was so obvious.
Michelle: Yeah. That's amazing. And so have you heard any stories? I know it's, it's fairly new, like of people who have maybe done it in the past or, or felt a completely different experience doing this in a group or a better experience or a better outcome with that type of support.
Aliza: like I'm really, really happy to say that like every single girl that has gone through a retreat loves it. You know, I just got a, from one of our girls, Literally like three days ago. I can forward it to [00:27:00] you 'cause I'm just so proud of it. But she's like crying, you know? She's just like, this experie changed my life.
Like beyond egg freezing. These women forget they're egg freezing as well, which is amazing because, you know, health, happy eggs are healthy eggs, right? Like we don't want women to be. So honed in on it during the process counting, you know, the, you see those women who are like, I put my results through chat.
I put, okay, this, this molecule is counting. And it's like, okay, it's great to be informed, but you also just wanna let, once you're in the process, let. Let it be, you know, surrender to it. And so we distract them with like, all sorts of things, fun things, you know? And, you know, you're in the sun, you're with girlfriends and we, we have our November retreat girls planning, a trip to Korea together.
You know, we, Yeah. we have a
Michelle: Oh wow.
Aliza: that'll be coming out so you can actually see the process of how community matters. these women said that they would, I have discovery calls with women that say they would never do [00:28:00] it in any other way other than how we are doing it, which is great. But once you see women go through it and they were like, this process, I can't believe people go through this process alone.
And this changed my life much, much beyond what I initially started it as. Yeah.
it's very heartwarming. We're doing much more than just egg freezing, to be honest. And I think that makes me like deeply. Deeply filled with gratitude.
Michelle: That's so great that that just sounds amazing. It really is something that's so needed. And I'm like, you know, I've been doing this for a while now, like 10 years and I see people go through so much and how much their craving community and really connection and to, to know that like something like this exists, really, I feel like it's so needed.
So I think that you just, like, you hit the nail on the head with this, I think it's like a really, really amazing idea. So if people are listening, 'cause [00:29:00] I'm sure people are like, wow, this is so cool. Like, I wanna find out more. if people are listening and they wanna learn more, you mentioned that you have a
Aliza: Yeah, exactly. So, we, on our website or on our Instagram page, you can go directly and sign up for a discovery call.
All discovery calls are with me. And so we go through just like where they're at, what their feelings are, what their fears are, you know, hesitations of egg freezing, and we see if it's a good fit.
I believe in giving honest advice. I guide women to the retreat or away from the retreat I give them. All the knowledge I've learned saying like, oh, but you can actually get your medications in America, so maybe this won't make total sense for you. And you know, I really give them honest feedback. So our discovery calls are really the best way to figure out if this is a, a good fit for you.
something that, would help you in the process. And I wanna mention like, oh,
Michelle: And
Aliza: sorry. I wanna mention like I can get, you know, I know. We, this world is referred to as woo woo, you know, in, in some ways, [00:30:00] and I can get pretty woo. I'm sure you can too. But everything in our retreat is backed by science. You know, the literature.
And we send it, we send it to the women, we send the literature on acupuncture. We send the literature on, you know, cortisol reduction, red light therapy. So when you enter the house, you don't feel like, you don't feel like, Are these things gonna work? You're confident like that MINDBODY connection is there and it knows that they have proven results behind it to improve my, the success of my outcomes.
so I think that's really important in instilling confidence in the women that they're signing up for something that is actually going to help them.
Michelle: Yeah. Yeah, a hundred percent. People don't wanna, like, I think that when you're going through this journey, you don't wanna waste time, you don't wanna waste money. You wanna know that what you're doing is going to bring you value. So a hundred percent people really wanna have that because it's, you know, there's so much time gets taken from so many.
Women on this journey, so, [00:31:00] so I could see how that can really put people at ease. so for people who wanna find out more,
Aliza: So our website is, the fertility co-living dot com and that's the same with our Instagram handle. and they can just directly sign up for a call there. Those are the best ways.
Michelle: Awesome. And I'll have all of the links on in the episode notes if anybody wants to find 'em there. Aliza, this was such a pleasure. Thank you
Aliza: My pleasure. Thank you so much for having me.
Michelle: So that concludes today's episode. You can find all of the links mentioned on the episode notes. If you're enjoying these episodes, please take a moment to share and leave a review. Reviews mean everything to podcasters and I really enjoy hearing from my listeners. You can find me on my website@www.michelleorbit.com.
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